Oregon passes tax increases on corporations and the wealthy..

[citizenzen]

Brilliant! I realize that I'm starting to sound like a sycophant...

You're the Refro to GenSen's Dracula... the Smee to his Captain Hook... the Igor to his Dr. Frankenstein.

Sycophants play an important role in life. It's nice to see that you're so good at it.

 

[Capitalist Pig]

You're the Refro to GenSen's Dracula... the Smee to his Captain Hook... the Igor to his Dr. Frankenstein.

Sycophants play an important role in life. It's nice to see that you're so good at it.

You are clearly upset about Gen's accurate and insightful analysis of liberal thinking generally, and you specifically. Your remark only demonstrates for me how close to the bone Gen cut you.

Not having been here to witness "the ignoring" I can only speculate on the reason for such action. Since I have yet to see Gen be anything but respectful in every one of his responses, I can speculate with a high degree of confidence that you ignored him because you couldn't debate him. You trumped up some outrage over an imagined slight in order to justify cutting off discussions in which you were outmatched. It's hard for anyone to face their better, and have all of their pseudo intellectual posturing laid naked and impotent for all to see. You chose to run away from it rather than learn from it. To each his own.

 

[Popeye]

Gotta love the ignore function.

It makes GenSen so much more personable... almost human.

I don't believe in using the ignore function myself, but for those that do...I can see where GenSeneca would be a top candidate for anyone's list..

 

[citizenzen]

I can speculate with a high degree of confidence that you ignored him because you couldn't debate him.

I can't debate a 3rd grade child that says, "I know you are, but what am I?" after everything I say either.

But I don't think that means I lost the debate... only that I was smart enough to see the futility in continuing to try.

 

[samsara15]

Those who receive the greatest benefits from the way economic status and goods are distributed within our society should expect to pay more than those who receive the least. If for no other reason that they have more capacity to pay.

 

[samsara15]

Brilliant! I realize that I'm starting to sound like a sycophant, but Gen is bringing it to the table in a major way. It's like listening to Bill Buckley incarnate.

Bill Buckley was no heavyweight.

 

[citizenzen]

Bill Buckley was no heavyweight.

But Renfro could eat a bug with the best of them.

Never discount the role of a good sycophant. If they didn't cling to the coat-tails of their superiors, they'd probably end up on the dole.

And who needs more people on welfare?

 

[GenSeneca]

Those who receive the greatest benefits from the way economic status and goods are distributed

In what way is economic status distributed?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

So here is another case of the rich and powerful banding together to prey on the rest of us. GenSeca supports this, I think, but he is so coy about saying what he believes that I don't really know. I've been very upfront with my statements about what I believe, but he's always pushing just the one idea: that poor people have no right to force the theives that have impoverished this country to return any of the money.

The people in power will not willingly relinquish their ill-gotten gains, but GenSeca says we shouldn't even do what Gandhi did and force them with the power of the ballot box, oh no, that would immoral. GenSeca never addresses the morality of hoarding while others starve and live in dire want because we can't be immorally forcing the rich to share what they have taken from others.

If you have a better idea, something that takes no force of any kind, then why don't you just say so? Do you get a lot of mileage out of your coyness? Page after page you argue the same thing, but don't offer any solution except for the poor people to die quietly so as not to apply "force" on the rich folks.


Just three weeks ago, the United States Supreme Court ended a ban on corporate spending in political elections, drawing intense criticism for the ruling's potential to erode the democratic process.

This week, a group that includes some of the wealthiest Republican CEOs on Wall Street have formed a group to take advantage of new fundraising possibilities for the GOP.
http://rawstory.com/2010/02/wake-ruling-wall-street-ceos-form-conservative-action-tank/

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Those who receive the greatest benefits from the way economic status and goods are distributed within our society should expect to pay more than those who receive the least. If for no other reason that they have more capacity to pay.

To me Samsara's comment is more "realistic" than that philosophical fuzz that GenSeca put out. In GenSeca's reality there appear to be no homeless people, no hungry people, and no people who are ill and have inadequate access to health care. In GenSeca's world I guess that no hospitals put indigent patients into taxi cabs and have them delivered to skid row to get rid of them.

GenSeca seems intelligent enough, but somehow is stuck on the morality of money, that somehow money is more important than people, more important than life.

In the Bible they call for Jubilee Years every 50 years and all debts are forgiven. Maybe it's time we did that again, or had potlatches, or even just some genuine compassion.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

In what way is economic status distributed?

In the finest colloquial vernacular: Them that's got, gets.

 

[Capitalist Pig]

But Renfro could eat a bug with the best of them.

Never discount the role of a good sycophant. If they didn't cling to the coat-tails of their superiors, they'd probably end up on the dole.

And who needs more people on welfare?

The record is skipping. Try hitting it on the side..... not hard, just a sharp tap.....

 

[Capitalist Pig]

To me Samsara's comment is more "realistic" than that philosophical fuzz that GenSeca put out. In GenSeca's reality there appear to be no homeless people, no hungry people, and no people who are ill and have inadequate access to health care. In GenSeca's world I guess that no hospitals put indigent patients into taxi cabs and have them delivered to skid row to get rid of them.

GenSeca seems intelligent enough, but somehow is stuck on the morality of money, that somehow money is more important than people, more important than life.

In the Bible they call for Jubilee Years every 50 years and all debts are forgiven. Maybe it's time we did that again, or had potlatches, or even just some genuine compassion.

In your "reality" the existence of need trumps all. There are no facts, logic, reason and there are definitely no rights that can be allowed to stand in the way of need. Something like the right to own private property. What right does anyone have to own a home when there are homeless? What right do I have to feed my children when some parents out there choose not to feed theirs? Who am I to drive to work in my own car when some can't afford a bus ticket? Your "reality" is the tyranny of failure.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

To me Samsara's comment is more "realistic" than that philosophical fuzz that GenSeca put out. In GenSeca's reality there appear to be no homeless people, no hungry people, and no people who are ill and have inadequate access to health care. In GenSeca's world I guess that no hospitals put indigent patients into taxi cabs and have them delivered to skid row to get rid of them.

GenSeca seems intelligent enough, but somehow is stuck on the morality of money, that somehow money is more important than people, more important than life.

In the Bible they call for Jubilee Years every 50 years and all debts are forgiven. Maybe it's time we did that again, or had potlatches, or even just some genuine compassion.

The 'BLUE BLOODS' often find it hard to be understanding of the plight of the common man...their vision of the world from their ivory towers doesn't allow much introspection at ground level. Their eyesight is only focused on their empires and the ability to protect what they can survey...'IT'S MINE' and you can't take it away from me mentality. Much like a petulant 3 year old who hasn't learned the way society has to support each other regardless of our financial standing

 

[citizenzen]

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