Obama’s First Appointment Is Son Of a Zionist Terrorist

This is hilarious.

Over the last 8 years, convicted terrorists and their pals have been members of Bush's administration

to whit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Poindexter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ledeen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Abrams

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Reich

"..In Poindexter's hometown of Odon, Indiana, a street was renamed to John Poindexter Street. Bill Breedan, a former minister, stole the street's sign in protest of the Iran-Contra Affair. He claimed that he was holding it for a ransom of $30 million, in reference to the amount of money given to Iran to transfer to the contras. He was later arrested and confined to prison, making him, as satirized by Howard Zinn, "the only person to be imprisoned as a result of the Iran-Contra affair."[64]

Comrade Stalin of IranContrastan
 
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see funny thing is I actually defended McCain against attacks that where not merited...and those palin Africa things...that comes from Fox news reporting from her own campaign not the left.

I never saw the right go against anyone for those worthless attacks on Obama. ( also Note I am not a Dem, I dont call the left my side...just the side I happen to lean to.)

Er... I have personally had some pointed conversations with specific people over their use of invalid attacks. More than a few times.

The problem is, I don't consider all of those worthless. Others you seem incapable or willing to understand the point of the comment.

For example: The claim Obama is unpatriotic does have some evidence. He refused to say the pledge of allegence to our flag. He refused to wear a flag pin, and made it an issue. He went to a church for 20 years that openly hated America. Now how are we supposed to respond? Do we have to wait until he starts chanting "death to america" and burning flags on the white house lawn?


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So I think that's a legitimate issue that is worth discussing.

Another example is "obama is hitler". No one said Obama is hitler. Obama can't speak two languages like Hilter could, and Obama is not overtly against the Jews the same way hitler was.

What was said, is that in nearly every evil dictator of our history, the way in which a dictator rises to power in a largely democratic country, is through manipulation of the ignorant public by empty vague speeches that say very little about what the person actually believes.

This is a speech Hitler gave in Munich MAY 1, 1923. Notice the how he doesn't say what he really wants to do... just some ambiguous phrases.

There are three words which many use without a thought which for us are no catch-phrases: Love, Faith, and Hope. We National Socialists wish to love our Fatherland, we wish to learn to love it, to learn to love it jealously, to love it alone and to suffer no other idol to stand by its side. We know only one interest and that is the interest of our people.

We are fanatical in our love for our people, and we are anxious that so-called 'national governments' should be conscious of that fact. We can go as loyally as a dog with those who share our sincerity, but we will pursue with fanatical hatred the man who believes that he can play tricks with this love of ours. We cannot go with governments who look two ways at once, who squint both towards the Right and towards the Left. We are straightforward: it must be either love or hate.

We have faith in the rights of our people, the rights which have existed time out of mind. We protest against the view that every other nation should have rights - and we have none. We must learn to make our own this blind faith in the rights of our people, in the necessity of devoting ourselves to the service of these rights; we must make our own the faith that gradually victory must be granted us if only we are fanatical enough. And from this love and from this faith there emerges for us the idea of hope. When others doubt and hesitate for the future of Germany - we have no doubts. We have both the hope and the faith that Germany will and must once more become great and mighty.

We have both the hope and the faith that the day will come on which Germany shall stretch from Koenigsberg to Strassburg, and from Hamburg to Vienna.

Now... that to me sounds very much like Obama. Very nebulas, very void. Yes we can... Hope... Change... Believe. He doesn't say how he would do this, or what policies he thinks will accomplish these things. Nor does he state what his ultimate goals are other than to expand Germany.

If Bush was saying a speech similar to this, would not the similarities be an alarm to you? Yes it would. So why when we see these similarities, it's a worthless argument?
 
Over the last 8 years, convicted terrorists and their pals have been members of Bush's administration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Poindexter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ledeen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Abrams

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Reich

"..In Poindexter's hometown of Odon, Indiana, a street was renamed to John Poindexter Street. Bill Breedan, a former minister, stole the street's sign in protest of the Iran-Contra Affair. He claimed that he was holding it for a ransom of $30 million, in reference to the amount of money given to Iran to transfer to the contras. He was later arrested and confined to prison, making him, as satirized by Howard Zinn, "the only person to be imprisoned as a result of the Iran-Contra affair."[64]

Comrade Stalin of IranContrastan

None of these are terrorist, and the minister who was imprisoned was the only one who should have been imprisoned... as far as I can tell. The Iran-Contra scandal... wasn't a scandal.

You calling them terrorists, tells me you don't know what a terrorist is, and you don't have a clue about Iran-contra, and you don't know anything about foreign policy. In other words... a perfect obama supporter :D
 
What was said, is that in nearly every evil dictator of our history, the way in which a dictator rises to power in a largely democratic country, is through manipulation of the ignorant public by empty vague speeches that say very little about what the person actually believes.

This is a speech Hitler gave in Munich MAY 1, 1923. Notice the how he doesn't say what he really wants to do... just some ambiguous phrases.

Now... that to me sounds very much like Obama. Very nebulas, very void. Yes we can... Hope... Change... Believe. He doesn't say how he would do this, or what policies he thinks will accomplish these things. Nor does he state what his ultimate goals are other than to expand Germany.

Just because he does not enumerate his positions doesn't make him a tyrannical dictator. This type of oration is a tool, a tool that can be used by anyone oratorically skilled enough to figure out how. What that person intends to do with it is entirely up to them.

If Bush was saying a speech similar to this, would not the similarities be an alarm to you? Yes it would. So why when we see these similarities, it's a worthless argument?

I doubt anyone would care if Bush was saying things like this. Or anyone worth listening to, anyway.

I remember, when I was in high school, I wrote a paper comparing Andrew Jackson to Hitler. Several of the speeches he gave in the late 1820s and early 1830s deal with the necessity of removing Native Americans so white Americans could have "living space," which paralleled Hitler's call for "lebansraum" with creepy similarily.

My point is, if you look hard enough, you can find a Hitler comparision just about anywhere.
 
Just because he does not enumerate his positions doesn't make him a tyrannical dictator. This type of oration is a tool, a tool that can be used by anyone oratorically skilled enough to figure out how. What that person intends to do with it is entirely up to them.

No it does not. I didn't say it did. I simply stated that this is a normal mode of operation for dictators to assume power.

I doubt anyone would care if Bush was saying things like this. Or anyone worth listening to, anyway.

I remember, when I was in high school, I wrote a paper comparing Andrew Jackson to Hitler. Several of the speeches he gave in the late 1820s and early 1830s deal with the necessity of removing Native Americans so white Americans could have "living space," which paralleled Hitler's call for "lebansraum" with creepy similarily.

My point is, if you look hard enough, you can find a Hitler comparision just about anywhere.

Yes but you are comparing what Andrew Jackson said, to what Hitler did. At least people knew where Andrew Jackson stood on the issues. Hitler deliberately did not say what he really wanted to do. We know now because we can see what he did.

Similarly, we don't really know where Obama stands on nearly anything.

I'm not worried about specific policies so much as the general mode of operation. I doubt Obama is going to open Auschwitz in the US, and start gassing Christians.

Every dictator has had it's own set of oppressive policies, whether it be the 5% population reduction of Ho Chi Mhin, or Pol Pot's killing fields, or Stalin's Gulags. I'm not worried Obama has a specific policy that matches a specific dictator of history. That's not the question.

The question is, how did these dictators get into power? They got into power using empty vague language that may have been great oratory and charisma, but ultimately made it impossible for people to know the true beliefs and policies the dictator supported.

Similarly, Obama won the election with the most ignorant of people, who knew nothing of what he stands for, but knew his cheezy empty slogans of "hope" and "change" and "yes we can" without saying what.

 
So what is your fine line of capitalist and socialist, and I would also suggest that those terms are not mutually exclusive. America hasnt seen a free market in 300 years.
I agree, America doesn't have a free market... Yet that doesn't stop people from blaming the "free market" when shat happens... Like Obama has done repeatedly.

My fine line? Obama has openly stated that he sought out Radical Marxists in College... he listed books that influenced his life and their authors have Marxist roots. Obama has never, to my knowledge, praised capitalism or free markets... quite the opposite. Like most students of Marx, when Obama mentions Captialism or the Free Markets, its in a negative light - suggesting its horribly flawed and needs "change".

Huh? There certainly are some flaws with the constitution that I could argue, and the fact that it is a living document, that hasnt been revised itself much in its history, a time when America was %10 of what it is now. While neither of us are calling for a constitutional overhaul, there is no question the constitution in some of its verbage is outdated. Recognizing this fact should not make someone an "America hater"
Please, lets have that discussion. I would like to know where you think its flawed, what verbage is outdated and... I'd like to know why you and Obama agree that the limitations placed on government through our constitution is somehow a flaw.
 
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None of these are terrorist, and the minister who was imprisoned was the only one who should have been imprisoned... as far as I can tell. The Iran-Contra scandal... wasn't a scandal.

You calling them terrorists, tells me you don't know what a terrorist is, and you don't have a clue about Iran-contra, and you don't know anything about foreign policy. In other words... a perfect obama supporter :D

I think I know what a terrorist is.

A terrorist is someone like the person that put the bomb in Harrod's department store in London that shredded my first wife's left arm.

Otherwise, you are quite correct.

It wasn't a scandal.

It was a war crime.

Comrade Stalin
 
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