Obama wants to legitimize the 20 million illegal aliens - do you agree?

[PLC1]

My wife is still in favor of simply rounding up all illegal aliens and shooting them.

That might be unconstitutional. If we're going to go to the trouble of amending the Constitution, maybe we'd better round up the gang bangers, taggers, and druggies and shoot them while we're at it, just to make all the time and trouble worthwhile.

 

[9sublime]

Taggers? Someone needs to sort their priorities out. All you need is a few more legal graffiti walls and you will have more young people making more amazing (and legal) art rather than doing other, far less producitve things.

 

[numinus]

Amnesty was tried once, back in '86. I'm not so sure you're old enough to remember the result, but I am. It was a disaster, and the 20 million (or so) we currently have is largely a result of that poor decision.

Of course it didn't. Illegal immigration is merely a consequence of supply and demand. For a solution to work, it needs to take into consideration the disease, and not merely its symptoms.

And whether you like it or not, supply and demand for goods, services and labor would have an effect on a world that is globalizing.

As for your taking minority positions, I really appreciate that. This forum wouldn't be any fun if everyone agreed. Of course, minority positions often don't have much in the way of fact to back them up, which is why they are minority positions.

You would be surprised how a lot of popular opinions are based more on inherent prejudice than facts and logic.

 

[numinus]

Bingo. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.

Nobody is suggesting that one tackle the immigration problem divorced from global economic realities. And as from the general view in this thread, it seems that a lot of people are ignorant enough to think that illegal immigration is an isolated phenomenon divorced from other factors.

 

[numinus]

Or in Nums case, trying to say Fat Americans are support for Amnesty and expecting it to suddenly make sense to everyone.

We tried this thing before it didn't work. Now we should simply enforce the laws we have... the end.

Only an idiot would bungle the implementation of an entirely logical solution. No surprise there.

 

[numinus]

Time to start the mass deportations. Round them up, ship them south, get them going walling off Mexico. When it's done, deport them. If they try to come back, shoot them.

My wife is still in favor of simply rounding up all illegal aliens and shooting them.

You know what they say -- idiots of the same feather marry each other.

 

[PLC1]

Of course it didn't. Illegal immigration is merely a consequence of supply and demand. For a solution to work, it needs to take into consideration the disease, and not merely its symptoms.

And whether you like it or not, supply and demand for goods, services and labor would have an effect on a world that is globalizing.

Illegal immigrants are people, not goods. If we really need their labor, then let's have a legal immigration program in which potential workers are screened for criminal history and matched with jobs here in the US, and in which they don't have to hide in the shadows afraid of being deported. Of course, the corporate sponsors of our politicians who have kept a "don't even look at the problem" policy in place for decades don't want such a program, as they would have to conform to fair labor practices in order to hire legal immigrants.

You would be surprised how a lot of popular opinions are based more on inherent prejudice than facts and logic.

Occasionally, that is true.

 

[Jarlaxle]

That might be unconstitutional. If we're going to go to the trouble of amending the Constitution, maybe we'd better round up the gang bangers, taggers, and druggies and shoot them while we're at it, just to make all the time and trouble worthwhile.

No, the only ones she wants to eliminate are the invaders...then again, illegal aliens and gangbangers are frequently one and the same. She's an immigrant (naturalized citizen) and the swarm of invaders disgusts her.

 

[numinus]

Illegal immigrants are people, not goods. If we really need their labor, then let's have a legal immigration program in which potential workers are screened for criminal history and matched with jobs here in the US, and in which they don't have to hide in the shadows afraid of being deported. Of course, the corporate sponsors of our politicians who have kept a "don't even look at the problem" policy in place for decades don't want such a program, as they would have to conform to fair labor practices in order to hire legal immigrants.

If you simply look at the immigration quota system in the us, it would be clear to you that it DOES NOT OPERATE WITHIN ECONOMIC PARAMETERS.

On the one hand, there is the reality spurred by supply and demand of labor, and on the other, the legal and political pressures that labor groups in the us exert to maintain the level of wages -- against the immutable operation of supply and demand.

In a laissez faire economy, which do you think should govern, hmmm?

Occasionally, that is true.

More than occasionally, I'd wager.

 

[Libsmasher]

Nobody is suggesting that one tackle the immigration problem divorced from global economic realities. And as from the general view in this thread, it seems that a lot of people are ignorant enough to think that illegal immigration is an isolated phenomenon divorced from other factors.

"Global economic realities", my ass. The main supporters of illegal aliens are democrats - they want millions of newly minted democrat voters.

 

[PLC1]

In a laissez faire economy, which do you think should govern, hmmm?

Why, chaos, of course. You've convinced me, Nummie, just open up the borders and let anyone and everyone come. Why bother with the Border Patrol, green cards, or anything else? Just let market forces determine how many people enter the US. Why even have a border at all? Let's just erase it, and make it all one big free market for labor.

Just give me time to move to Canada first, would you?

 

[Andy]

In a laissez faire economy, which do you think should govern, hmmm?

Why, chaos, of course. You've convinced me, Nummie, just open up the borders and let anyone and everyone come. Why bother with the Border Patrol, green cards, or anything else? Just let market forces determine how many people enter the US. Why even have a border at all? Let's just erase it, and make it all one big free market for labor.

Just give me time to move to Canada first, would you?

That is classic. See, this is why discussion with Nummyboy end up being flame wars, because how do you respond to such an insane theory without being sarcastic?

 

[numinus]

"Global economic realities", my ass. The main supporters of illegal aliens are democrats - they want millions of newly minted democrat voters.

Well then, its settled. You think with your ass.

 

[numinus]

Why, chaos, of course. You've convinced me, Nummie, just open up the borders and let anyone and everyone come. Why bother with the Border Patrol, green cards, or anything else? Just let market forces determine how many people enter the US. Why even have a border at all? Let's just erase it, and make it all one big free market for labor.

Just give me time to move to Canada first, would you?

The exodus of europeans to the new world was spurred precisely by 'market forces'. What makes you think it is any different now than then, hmmm?

Btw, I sure would like to see your source that says granting citizenship to illegal immigrants in the us would cause chaos.

 

[numinus]

That is classic. See, this is why discussion with Nummyboy end up being flame wars, because how do you respond to such an insane theory without being sarcastic?

You are questioning how a laissez faire economy works? And in the same breath, you question the nature of socialist economies?

And you have the temerity to pretend to have college-level training in economics?