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Federal Farmer;51379]I'm very familiar with DLI, as I attended it in 1972!

Good! Well "if" that's true you know you go different places once leaving. Some get military assignments... she went on to report directly to NSA.

What I'm calling BS on is your assertion that she has had any commentary on the subject AT ALL! If she has an opinion to express on the subject, let HER express it, otherwise, you're just talking trash to bolster your flawed BS, especially since NEITHER of you is old enough to actually remember the tensions of the times that JFK created.

Who cares?:) I call her down to look at the silly stuff or if I need some Cold War technical question answered she gives an opinion. I could type right now saying I'm her... wouldn't change a thing. Believe... don't believe... makes no difference to me and you already know what she said, twice.:D

The age thing is ridiculous and even you know that. Although we're in our early 50's the overriding fact is Russian studies was her thing. She turned down a full ride at Kentucky just because she wanted so much to follow the Russian studies ... and that was the Army. So Soviets... Communism... satellite states... deep study is experiance.


You obviously have no clue WHAT a Socialist, a Marxist, or a Communist is if you can't see the differences. FYI, there are many, MANY Socialists in America today, especially prevalent inside the DNC, and even serving in our own Congress, but they are NOT Communist. We have a few, if not fully, at least borderline Socialists on this board, but I daresay they are not Communists! Marxism is a PHILOSOPHY, not a practical application, while Communism IS the application. Your naive interpretation is as absurd as saying that because America was founded on Christian principles that it is a theocracy!

You must just miss the nuance that Fidel Castro was a danger to the United States and aligned itself with other dangerous leaders as well as the former Soviet Union that had vowed to bury us. And least we forget yet again it was Republican President Eisenhower that first agreed covert actions against Castro were necessary.

Well, tell your wife "Ihr Ehemann ist zu dumm procreate gewährt zu werden. Sie müssen sehr hoffnungslos in der Tat gewesen sein, solch ein ***** verbunden zu haben."

Well if that were like I had said English, Swedish, French or Russian, it might of helped. But I showed it to her. I guess you're not real impressive. She just said... Why do you even talk to those guys, and went back upstairs.

Pure pablum by a Batista. Your "source" claims that Castro had Communist ties as early as 1943. The problem with that is that in 1943, Castro was only 17 YEARS OLD, and still living at home with his parents!

So your whole point is that a 17 year old could not embrace Communism. That may be the stupidest thing I've heard so far. By that logic I need to tell all the Vietnam Vets that all those teenage Viet Cong shooting at them in the jungle weren't really there because they were too young.:eek:

So this is the guy you wanted just 90 miles away with Soviet weapons. You're right. He seems much better than our own President Eisenhower or Kennedy... great. I'm leaving you with Fidel Castro's own words and ending my part of the discussion here. You're entitled to your opinion.

Castro: How I Became a Communist
From a question-and-answer period with students
at the University of Concepción, Chile, November 18 1971


I was the son of a landowner—that was one reason for me to be a reactionary. I was educated in religious schools that were attended by the sons of the rich—another reason for being a reactionary. I lived in Cuba, where all the films, publications, and mass media were “Made in USA”—a third reason for being a reactionary. I studied in a university where out of fifteen thousand students, only thirty were anti-imperialists, and I was one of those thirty at the end. When I entered the university, it was as the son of a landowner—and to make matters worse, as a political illiterate!

…And mind you, no party member, no Communist, no socialist or extremist got hold of me and indoctrinated me. No. I was given a big, heavy, infernal, unreadable, unbearable textbook that tried to explain political economy from a bourgeois viewpoint—they called that political economy!

And that unbearable book presented the crises of overproduction and other such problems as the most natural things in the world. It explained how in Britain, when there was an abundance of coal, there were workers who didn’t have any, because by the inexorable natural and unchangeable laws of history, of society and nature, crises of overproduction inevitably occur, and when they do, they bring unemployment and starvation. When there’s too much coal, workers will freeze and starve!

So that landowner’s son, who had been educated by bourgeois schools and Yankee propaganda, began to think that something was wrong with that system, that it didn’t make sense…

As the son of a poor man who later became a big landowner, I had the advantage of at least living in the countryside, with the peasants, with the poor, who were all my friends. Had I been the grandson of a landowner, it’s quite possible that my father would have taken me to live in the capital, in a superaristocratic neighborhood and those positive factors at work on me wouldn’t have been able to survive the influence of the milieu. Egoism and other negative traits we humans beings have would have prevailed.

Luckily, the schools I studied in developed some of the positive factors. A certain idealistic rationality; a certain concept of good and evil, just and unjust; and a certain spirit of rebelliousness against impositions and oppression led me to an analysis of human society, and turned me into what I later realized was a utopian Communist. At the time, I still hadn’t been fortunate enough to meet a Communist or read a Communist document.

Then one day a copy of the Communist Manifesto—the famous Communist Manifesto!—fell into my hands and I read some things I’ll never forget… What phrases what truths! And we saw those truths every day!

I felt like some little animal that had been born in a forest which he didn’t understand. Then, all of a sudden, he finds a map of that forest—a description, a geography of that forest and everything in it. It was then that I got my bearings. Take a look now and see if Marx’s ideas weren’t just, correct, and inspiring. If we hadn’t based our struggle on them, we wouldn’t be here now! We wouldn’t be here!

Now then, was I a Communist? No. I was a man who was lucky enough to have discovered a political theory, a man who was caught up in the whirlpool of Cuba’s political crisis long before becoming a full-fledged Communist…
I went on developing. Afterwards, I had the opportunity to know imperialism more concretely than I had through Lenin’s book. I got to know imperialism—the worst and most aggressive of all… And I believe life has given me a better understanding of reality. It has made me more revolutionary, more socialist, more Communist…
 
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Good! Well "if" that's true you know you go different places once leaving. Some get military assignments... she went on to report directly to NSA. I call her down to look at the silly stuff or if I need some Cold War technical question answered she gives an opinion. I could type right now saying I'm her... wouldn't change a thing. Believe... don't believe... makes no difference to me and you already know what she said, twice.:D

No, I do NOT "know what she (allegedly) said", as she herself has made NO POSTINGS, and given your propensity for 'embellishment', I refuse to accept your word. Also, what about her alleged former assignment at NSA gives her any special knowledge about JFK or the Bay of Pigs disaster? NONE!

All of that aside, it is still utter non-responsive to the original point.

The age thing is ridiculous and even you know that. Although we're in our early 50's the overriding fact is Russian studies was her thing. She turned down a full ride at Kentucky just because she wanted so much to follow the Russian studies ... and that was the Army. So Soviets... Communism... satellite states... deep study is experiance.

Again, her linguistic abilities have no bearing on the study of Communism, except as it pertained to her particular duties.

You must just miss the nuance that Fidel Castro was a danger to the United States and aligned itself with other dangerous leaders as well as the former Soviet Union that had vowed to bury us. And least we forget yet again it was Republican President Eisenhower that first agreed covert actions against Castro were necessary.

Eisenhower approved the original plan, that was to be used ONLY if Castro sided with the Soviet Union, something he DID NOT DO until AFTER the Bay of Pigs. Again, Castro WAS NO THREAT to us until JFK made him a threat.

Well if that were like I had said English, Swedish, French or Russian, it might of helped. But I showed it to her. I guess you're not real impressive. She just said... Why do you even talk to those guys, and went back upstairs.

More BS.

So your whole point is that a 17 year old could not embrace Communism. That may be the stupidest thing I've heard so far. By that logic I need to tell all the Vietnam Vets that all those teenage Viet Cong shooting at them in the jungle weren't really there because they were too young.

You're talking to one, and that's not the point. Your "source" claimed that Castro had ties to the SOVIET UNION in 1943, and that's utterly SPECIOUS ON IT'S FACE, as will be demonstrated further down.

So this is the guy you wanted just 90 miles away with Soviet weapons. You're right. He seems much better than our own President Eisenhower or Kennedy... great. I'm leaving you with Fidel Castro's own words and ending my part of the discussion here. You're entitled to your opinion.

DUMBASS! Are you even REMOTELY familiar with the concept of CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER? THERE WERE NO SOVIET MISSILES IN CUBA UNTIL AFTER THE BAY OF PIGS!!! You can't very well use the missiles as support for the Bay of Pigs when THEY WEREN'T THERE YET!

Castro: How I Became a Communist
From a question-and-answer period with students
at the University of Concepción, Chile, November 18 1971


…And mind you, no party member, no Communist, no socialist or extremist got hold of me and indoctrinated me. No. I was given a big, heavy, infernal, unreadable, unbearable textbook that tried to explain political economy from a bourgeois viewpoint—they called that political economy!

HOISTED BY YOUR OWN PETARD, ........AGAIN!


Luckily, the schools I studied in developed some of the positive factors. A certain idealistic rationality; a certain concept of good and evil, just and unjust; and a certain spirit of rebelliousness against impositions and oppression led me to an analysis of human society, and turned me into what I later realized was a utopian Communist. At the time, I still hadn’t been fortunate enough to meet a Communist or read a Communist document.

AND AGAIN, HOISTED BY YOUR OWN PETARD!

Then one day a copy of the Communist Manifesto—the famous Communist Manifesto!—fell into my hands and I read some things I’ll never forget… What phrases what truths! And we saw those truths every day!

WHOOP-DE-DOO!! I read the Communist Manifesto in college, in fact, it was REQUIRED reading. Big deal.

Now then, was I a Communist? No. I was a man who was lucky enough to have discovered a political theory, a man who was caught up in the whirlpool of Cuba’s political crisis long before becoming a full-fledged Communist…

Dude, you just keep on HANGING YOURSELF.

I went on developing. Afterwards, I had the opportunity to know imperialism more concretely than I had through Lenin’s book. I got to know imperialism—the worst and most aggressive of all… And I believe life has given me a better understanding of reality. It has made me more revolutionary, more socialist, more Communist…

So it was LIFE, particularly considering JFK's monumental blunder, that MADE HIM A COMMUNIST!

Thank you, thank you VERY MUCH for finally admitting that you were wrong, and I was right. You have just provided the very proof of what I have been saying all along, and that you have been vainly trying to deny! He WAS NOT a Communist when he was 17, he had no contact with ANY Soviets, he was NOT a Communist when he was in school, and he was NOT a Communist until LIFE (ala` JFK) MADE HIM ONE.
 
Federal Farmer;51385]No, I do NOT "know what she (allegedly) said", as she herself has made NO POSTINGS, and given your propensity for 'embellishment', I refuse to accept your word. Also, what about her alleged former assignment at NSA gives her any special knowledge about JFK or the Bay of Pigs disaster? NONE!

Goof ball the point was she's was a military person that was in the Intelligence field that personally & professionally focused on Soviet and Soviet satellite Communist countries. Don't get it... just let it go.

Eisenhower approved the original plan...

Agreed.

You're talking to one, and that's not the point.

You're a Communist! Well that explains eveything you've said then.

Your "source" claimed that Castro had ties to the SOVIET UNION in 1943, and that's utterly SPECIOUS ON IT'S FACE, as will be demonstrated further down.

One source... there are many. But none say Kennedy made him a Communist. And Castro's age doesn't matter... it's that he was a Communist. You said QUOTE: He still isn't a Communist today. Go back about 3 posts and read it yourself.


My God quit making excuses for Fidel Castro. No one "made" Castro do anything and you know it. Castro was a Socialist/Marxist/Leninist that took to the Communist principles early on... and has for decades proclaimed it.

Show me anywhere in all the direct quotes from Castro where he says anything... anything at all... one single word about America or any American President "making or causing" him to be a Communist. You're ridiculous.

He says this...

Then one day a copy of the Communist Manifesto—the famous Communist Manifesto!—fell into my hands and I read some things I’ll never forget… What phrases what truths! And we saw those truths every day!


Now I really am out because I could post direct statements from Castro himself all day long and you'd come back with the mental equivalent of... NUH-UH I'm rubber you're glue.:D
 
OMG, He just said he was a Viet Vet....

http://www.destructoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/*****.jpg

Thanks GS, but it's obvious to anyone with an IQ anywhere above room temperature that he's just trying to save face.

He presents a "source", which I easily debunk, so he brings in another one (Castro himself) who further debunks his first source, by his own words. The next thing you know, he'll post something by Castro where he says that he turned to the Soviets only after the Bay of Pigs, and try to present it as some proof that Kennedy didn't have anything to do with it.

I believe it's time to put this ***** back on Ignore.
 
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GenSeneca;51388]OMG, He just said he was a Viet Vet....

OK. It was probably just that reading his posts he's carried so much water for Fidel Castro his pants were soaking wet that led me to think that it was quite possible he was a Communist... 17 years old... or both... after he answered that way.:D

Originally Posted by top gun
So your whole point is that a 17 year old could not embrace Communism. That may be the stupidest thing I've heard so far. By that logic I need to tell all the Vietnam Vets that all those teenage Viet Cong shooting at them in the jungle weren't really there because they were too young.

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Federal Farmer
You're talking to one, and that's not the point. Your "source" claimed that Castro had ties to the SOVIET UNION in 1943, and that's utterly SPECIOUS ON IT'S FACE, as will be demonstrated further down.

And before you say it I know there was also some stuff about notifying Vets that a lot of the Viet Cong were teenagers because he seemed to believe you had to be 18... or 21... I really don't know what age he thought one had to be to be a Communist. Heck he even said QUOTE: Castro was NOT a COMMUNIST, and still isn't... (page #3 this thread)



Well anyway if Feds "not" a Communist then he did understand that Communism has no age requirement and Castro is a Communist.

That's progress. Let's move on...
 
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