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[Dave]

Either way, you haven't proven a need for the switch. I wouldnt mind the bill if I thought the stuff was actually killing soldiers. As far as I'm concerned, there hasn't been enough evidence to prove that DU isn't working perfectly fine as it is.

 

[ArmChair General]

Either way, you haven't proven a need for the switch. I wouldnt mind the bill if I thought the stuff was actually killing soldiers. As far as I'm concerned, there hasn't been enough evidence to prove that DU isn't working perfectly fine as it is.

Well, at some point, someone has to recover vehicles, search bodies for intel, exploit equipment..etc.

Talk to some of them people, see what they think about DU.

 

[Rokerijdude11]

Either way, you haven't proven a need for the switch. I wouldnt mind the bill if I thought the stuff was actually killing soldiers. As far as I'm concerned, there hasn't been enough evidence to prove that DU isn't working perfectly fine as it is.

thats because you are BLIND to the reality and are far to attached to the Government Rhetoric

Just because i had balls to admit my position is mostly my opinion dosent take away any of the facts i presented on the issue

what a joke how can you compare a M-16 round to what we are discussing? thats the most laughable thing youve said in this thread

Nobody here discussing the DANGERS of being EXPOSED to uranium has said squat about m-16's
and as the general stated they dont use DU rounds in the M-16 or any of our small arms


the danger is when DU is inhaled in its alpha particle form where it can settle into the chest and lungs

the only part of my story i cant prove conclusivly is HOW MANY are getting sick........There is NO DISPUTING THE SCIENCE that if you inhale uranium its bad for you

when soldiers are near rounds that are hitting hard targets the cloud that ensues is filled with alpha particles

there is also NO DISPUTING that OTHERS ARE being sickened just by handling the shells..it is well documented....the other thing thats inconclusive is does everybody recieve the same effects? there simply hasnt been enough time to
find all of this out


but there is solid conclusive evidence that inhaling Uramium is harmful and there is in large part evidence showing high high rates of birth defects both in country and at home


only a fool believes this is harmless and acceptable .......we arent talking about a few puffs of marijuana here we are talking about ingesting and inhaling RADIOACTIVE heavy Metals into the human body

 

[Dave]

Are you even aware that we experience radioactivity every day in our lives? There's normal levels of radioactivity, and then theres enough radioactivity at the levels to make you sick, and you haven't done anything to prove that radiation from DU is enough to make someone sick. If it is, then it should be simple to find the medical evidence that it is.

 

[vyo476]

How did this thread wind up on depleted uranium?

No, don't answer, I don't want to know. What I would like to know is...just what the hell is "depleted uranium" anyway?

 

[Dave]

How did this thread wind up on depleted uranium?

No, don't answer, I don't want to know. What I would like to know is...just what the hell is "depleted uranium" anyway?

It is the metal used by the military for armor and some forms of ammunition. Rokerijdude and Armchair General claim that it is responsible for Gulf War syndrome.

 

[vyo476]

It is the metal used by the military for armor and some forms of ammunition. Rokerijdude and Armchair General claim that it is responsible for Gulf War syndrome.

Ah, okay. Good, another topic I know nothing about. Enjoy!

 

[Rokerijdude11]

Ah, okay. Good, another topic I know nothing about. Enjoy!

Where Dave, did i say It was responsible for gulf war syndrome?
I never said, or claimed that, your mistaken. Or perhaps We are back to the ole inferrance game?
what i said is...... the government is Full of it when they say D.U claims are considered Mis-information.... I have presented evidence that shows, that some people are getting sick. and presenting problems, from ingesting, or inhaling the alpha particles that are presented, when a D.U. round penetrates, or contacts a surface...


I never ONCE even started to imply that Gulfwar syndrome was caused By D.U. I clearly stated there were OTHER ilness's presenting as well...... It was YOU who was lumping ALL sickness in region to D.U. and claiming it wasnt so. Let the record stand I never claimed it did. I claimed D.U. is a harful toxic heavy metal and that it is presenting problems and contaminating water animals and people....

 

[ArmChair General]

Where Dave, did i say It was responsible for gulf war syndrome?
I never said, or claimed that, your mistaken. Or perhaps We are back to the ole inferrance game?
what i said is...... the government is Full of it when they say D.U claims are considered Mis-information.... I have presented evidence that shows, that some people are getting sick. and presenting problems, from ingesting, or inhaling the alpha particles that are presented, when a D.U. round penetrates, or contacts a surface...


I never ONCE even started to imply that Gulfwar syndrome was caused By D.U. I clearly stated there were OTHER ilness's presenting as well...... It was YOU who was lumping ALL sickness in region to D.U. and claiming it wasnt so. Let the record stand I never claimed it did. I claimed D.U. is a harful toxic heavy metal and that it is presenting problems and contaminating water animals and people....

yah i never said that either.

 

[Rokerijdude11]

Are you even aware that we experience radioactivity every day in our lives? There's normal levels of radioactivity, and then theres enough radioactivity at the levels to make you sick, and you haven't done anything to prove that radiation from DU is enough to make someone sick. If it is, then it should be simple to find the medical evidence that it is.

YES i am aware that we are exposed daily.......i am also aware that there have been documented studies where D.U. weapons have been used ,that present far far higher levels of radiation, than one should safely be exposed to. They also show far higher than acceptable concentrations in some animals and water tables ...as well it is presented in some urine at extremly high levels

I ddi present you evidence that soldiers handling D.U. rounds were sickened by high radiation levels i also presented thirty deaths related to D.U.poisioning from a de-contamination crew

as well as a myriad of birth defects both here and abroad...you are simply interested in nothing other than debate despite the evidence that is present and easily accountable

believe what you want to believe......im not interested in burying my head in the sand so to speak

there will be no agreement or any good of this "debate" as it isnt really a debate

agree to dis -agree

 

[Rokerijdude11]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12903.htm


"Ingested DU particles can cause up to 1,000 times the damage of an X-ray", said Mary Olson, a nuclear waste specialist and biologist at the Nuclear Information and Resource Service in Washington D.C.

It is this difference in particle size as well as the dust's crystalline structure that make the presence of DU dust in the environment such an extreme hazard, and which differentiates its properties from that of the natural uranium dust that is ubiquitous and to which we all are exposed every day, which seldom reaches such a small size. This point is being stressed, as comparing DU particles to much larger natural ones is misleading.

The U.S. Military and its supporters regularly quote a Rand Corp. Study which uses the natural uranium inhaled by miners.

Particles smaller than 10 microns can access the innermost recesses of lung tissue where they become permanently lodged. Furthermore, if the substance is relatively insoluble, such as the ceramic DU-oxide dust produced from burning DU, it will remain in place for decades, dissolving very slowly into the bloodstream and lymphatic fluids through the course of time. Studies have identified DU in the urine of Gulf War veterans nine years after that conflict, testifying to the permanence of ceramic DU-oxide in the lungs. Thus the effects are far different from natural uranium dust, whose coarse particles are almost entirely excreted by the body within 24 hours.

The military is aware of DU's harmful effects on the human genetic code. A 2001 study of DU's effect on DNA done by Dr. Alexandra C. Miller for the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute in Bethesda, Md., indicates that DU's chemical instability causes 1 million times more genetic damage than would be expected from its radiation effect alone.

Studies have shown that inhaled nano-particles are far more toxic than micro-sized particles of the same basic chemical composition. British toxicopathologist Vyvyan Howard has reported that the increased toxicity of the nano-particle is due to its size.

For example, when mice were exposed to virus-size particles of Teflon (0.13 microns) in a University of Rochester study, there were no ill effects. But when mice were exposed to nano-particles of Teflon for 15 minutes, nearly all the mice died within 4 hours.

"Exposure pathways for depleted uranium can be through the skin, by inhalation, and ingestion," writes Lauren Moret, another DU researcher. "Nano-particles have high mobility and can easily enter the body. Inhalation of nano-particles of depleted uranium is the most hazardous exposure, because the particles pass through the lung-blood barrier directly into the blood.

 

[invest07]

The 9/11 "truthers" believe this because they want to. It fits in with their world view which includes an intense hatred of GWB.
The blindest are not those who can't see but those who chose not to see.

 

[Dave]

Where Dave, did i say It was responsible for gulf war syndrome?
I never said, or claimed that, your mistaken. Or perhaps We are back to the ole inferrance game?
what i said is...... the government is Full of it when they say D.U claims are considered Mis-information.... I have presented evidence that shows, that some people are getting sick. and presenting problems, from ingesting, or inhaling the alpha particles that are presented, when a D.U. round penetrates, or contacts a surface...


I never ONCE even started to imply that Gulfwar syndrome was caused By D.U. I clearly stated there were OTHER ilness's presenting as well...... It was YOU who was lumping ALL sickness in region to D.U. and claiming it wasnt so. Let the record stand I never claimed it did. I claimed D.U. is a harful toxic heavy metal and that it is presenting problems and contaminating water animals and people....

OK, so you just posted articles that claimed it was responsible for Gulf War Syndrome. Way to go hiding behind someone elses opinion without taking responsibility for what you post. And like I've said many times, there are tons of carcinogens, as well as radiation lingering from Iraq's failed nuclear programs, in Iraq today. Until you can conclusively say that the problems faced by soldiers are something seperate from these issues, I consider it irresponsible to spread this conspiracy theorist propaganda.

 

[Rokerijdude11]

I wrote plenty of of the posts myself ......there were articles to support my viewpoint,Yes I did use an article that tried to tie it to gulf war syndrome But I clearly stated that i wasnt pushing that agaenda
.I have always been discussing URANIUM.... not all illness, Uranium Illness..... it is you who has tried in vain to take it somewhere, i had never intended it to go?


I stand behind what, I WROTE IN MY POSTS..... i used some articles to substantiate my opinions...... your just determined to assert your will upon me, and the readers you need to chill out?

 

[Rokerijdude11]

OK, so you just posted articles that claimed it was responsible for Gulf War Syndrome. Way to go hiding behind someone elses opinion without taking responsibility for what you post.
thats just plain incorrect you didnt read what i wrote obviously by your response??? whatever dude?
And like I've said many times, there are tons of carcinogens, as well as radiation lingering from Iraq's failed nuclear programs, in Iraq today.

And NOT ONE time in this thread, have i disputed that there are chemicals, and carcinogens ALSO present In Iraq, and Afghanistan?,

I was talking about the fact that the Feds have taken the stance, that D.U. contamination, and complications, are simply Mis-Information..

I totally disagree with that ,and have been discussing just that?


You continue to try and spin off on a tangent elsewhere, not me? Gulf war syndrome, and all illness, has been your story not mine...


D.U. remember? is it safe, or is it dangerous? thats what we have been trying to discuss....???




Until you can conclusively say that the problems faced by soldiers are something seperate from these issues, I consider it irresponsible to spread this conspiracy theorist propaganda.

Hmmm but thats Ok to do when it comes to marijuana prohibition? Interesting tactics?


I wasnt discussing Issues of Gulf war syndrome, Nor was i discussing chemicals, or carcinogens...I am discussing Depleted Uranium, in its alpha particle form, and the harm it has been causing? as well as the fact that wherever DU has been heavily used the ground,water, and animals are being affected.....

as well soldiers are presenting DU in Urine and semen and experiencing Birth defects directly related to this ...I havent spread any conspiracy theorist propoganda?...YOU HAVE !!!I have presented proof, that DU if inhaled, is harmful and even lethal...

I have issued proof, that soldiers with D.U in theyre semen have been producing at times deformed, or worse children, as well the people who live in country also present issues.... your quite transparent in your motives Dave ...frankly you not so good at it either