ISLAM is EVIL !

[bewitched]

She is proud.

I had in mind mutalism or at the very least, commensalism. Such relationships serve as standards within the community of nations. Parasitism is what describes hamas and hezbollah - in wherever they exist presently.

hamas and hezbollah are one in the same, endosymbiont, living inside one another, like the rest of Islam. whereas the West practices mutualism is an interaction between individuals of two different species. (or more)
can you understand it that way?

then comes Parasitism...which is a type of symbiotic relationship between organisms of different species in which one, the parasite, benefits from a prolonged sucking from the host.
some argue the US is sucking oil. but in actuality the US is supplying a thriving economy from the trade of money for oil. this misunderstanding is causing the endosymbiont (Islam) to feel defensive and attack the Commensalism (democracy) causing a mutual relationship to not be possible.

 

[numinus]

hamas and hezbollah are one in the same, endosymbiont, living inside one another, like the rest of Islam. whereas the West practices mutualism is an interaction between individuals of two different species. (or more)
can you understand it that way?

This is nonsense. Hamas and hezbollah are armed groups existing within their host countries and yet not subject to the laws that shelter them. Or have you forgotten the recent israeli-lebanese conflict?

The lebanese government was calling on israel to stop its offensive at the same time admitting that it is incapable of stopping hezbollah from operating within its borders.

There are many christians, jews, moslems, buddhists, etc., all being subject to the laws of their respective countries. It is plain that the organizations mentioned are, in fact, parasites and diseases whose existence are clearly harmful to the countries from which they enjoy citizenship and succor at the same time providing no (or minimal) benefit.

then comes Parasitism...which is a type of symbiotic relationship between organisms of different species in which one, the parasite, benefits from a prolonged sucking from the host.
some argue the US is sucking oil. but in actuality the US is supplying a thriving economy from the trade of money for oil. this misunderstanding is causing the endosymbiont (Islam) to feel defensive and attack the Commensalism (democracy) causing a mutual relationship to not be possible.

In commensalism, one organism derives benefit while the host derives neither harm nor benefit. In this sense, the relationship between the western democracies and the middle east ISN'T commensalism because both parties derive some benefit from the other.

Clear?

 

[bewitched]

This is nonsense. Hamas and hezbollah are armed groups existing within their host countries and yet not subject to the laws that shelter them. Or have you forgotten the recent israeli-lebanese conflict?

The lebanese government was calling on israel to stop its offensive at the same time admitting that it is incapable of stopping hezbollah from operating within its borders.

There are many christians, jews, moslems, buddhists, etc., all being subject to the laws of their respective countries. It is plain that the organizations mentioned are, in fact, parasites and diseases whose existence are clearly harmful to the countries from which they enjoy citizenship and succor at the same time providing no (or minimal) benefit.



In commensalism, one organism derives benefit while the host derives neither harm nor benefit. In this sense, the relationship between the western democracies and the middle east ISN'T commensalism because both parties derive some benefit from the other.

Clear?

you are only seeing this from Western eyes. Islam (hamas, hezballah, palestine, 57 OIC countries) doesn't think the same as the West, they are not getting some benefit from the US, the US is pigs and dogs and a worthless parasite that needs to be rid of. this is the mindset.
they don't think like us. at all. they don't agree with our vision of the world. at all. they think everyone else other than muslims are useless parasites that need extermination.
grasp this concept and we can move forward from there.

 

[ArmChair General]

You treat "evil" as an absolute. Evil is defined by society and our two societies - Western and Islamic - define it very, very differently. By our standards they may be considered evil (although I don't consider most Muslims to be evil, but that's my personal opinion). By their standards they consider us to be evil. There is no way for either of us to objectively refer to the other as evil because there is no absolute definition of the term.

stupid

 

[bewitched]

What utter nonsense!

What you are demonstrating is merely the extent of ignorance which prevails in the arab world and the effects of demagougery in the minds of people in such a sorry state.

And even if you sum up your figures exactly, it would still consist of a handful of CLOWNS with respect to islam. As I said, there is no way the actions of these cowards may be deemed representative of this religion. All the moslems I know, while being sympathetic to the cause of a palestinian state, cringes at the rhetoric of these self-appointed leaders.

oh, and these leaders aren't self appointed. they are government clerics and other representatives. this is not a handful of clowns.

as for "evil", I think this sums up the view of evil from Islam:
Koran 8:55 “Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve…” (meaning non-muslims)

 

[Coyote]

oh, and these leaders aren't self appointed. they are government clerics and other representatives. this is not a handful of clowns.

as for "evil", I think this sums up the view of evil from Islam:
Koran 8:55 “Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve…” (meaning non-muslims)

I think this one is even more evil:

When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations … then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

 

[bewitched]

I think this one is even more evil:

When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations … then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

I don't get it. can you explain?

 

[Coyote]

I don't get it. can you explain?

kill and drive out the unbelievers.

 

[bewitched]

kill and drive out the unbelievers.

but the big difference is that Christians aren't practicing this in 2007. whereas muslims are. there is a specific 7 phase plan that will cause death and destruction to non-muslims.

there are only a few Christians (one) shooting up churches compared to the 10000 Islamic attacks since 911 against non-muslims.

 

[Coyote]

It doesn't matter - like the Quran, the Bible still promotes evil behavior and can be twisted into serving evil.

In terms of overall muslim population - the vast majority are not involved in terrorism nor do they support it.

This sounds more like an extremist faction like the Christian dominionists.

 

[bewitched]

It doesn't matter - like the Quran, the Bible still promotes evil behavior and can be twisted into serving evil.

In terms of overall muslim population - the vast majority are not involved in terrorism nor do they support it.

This sounds more like an extremist faction like the Christian dominionists.

not exactly, the vast majority of muslims believe in dar ul Islam. to them it is not terrorism. their belief is that non-muslims are infidels and deserve death is a pure and popular belief.
Christians believe in pluralism and don't want to kill off all the other religions.

as for carrying it out... muslims are killing daily for this belief whereas Christians are not.

 

[vyo476]

but the big difference is that Christians aren't practicing this in 2007. whereas muslims are. there is a specific 7 phase plan that will cause death and destruction to non-muslims.

However, Christians once did practice violence and warfare en masse. Look up the Age of Religious Warfare sometime. Christianity, at one point, fully embraced all the violent notions it could get its hands on. What changed? Conditions. Temperament. Fact is that today, most Christians don't have a whole lot to get upset over - upset enough to fight, anyway. Conditions are good = no fighting. That's a part of human nature.

Oh, and would you please link to something that explains this "7 phase plan" that you keep mentioning?

 

[Coyote]

However, Christians once did practice violence and warfare en masse. Look up the Age of Religious Warfare sometime. Christianity, at one point, fully embraced all the violent notions it could get its hands on. What changed? Conditions. Temperament. Fact is that today, most Christians don't have a whole lot to get upset over - upset enough to fight, anyway. Conditions are good = no fighting. That's a part of human nature.

Oh, and would you please link to something that explains this "7 phase plan" that you keep mentioning?

Actually, what changed in part I think is that most of the Christian countries are under a secular government and there is a seperation of church and state. I think that civililized Christianity or at least muzzled it. Plus, many of them are western fairly wealthy with a decent standard of living and education. If they get upset - they can make their opinions heard via the political process. You can't do that in a country where corruption is the rule.

 

[Coyote]

not exactly, the vast majority of muslims believe in dar ul Islam. to them it is not terrorism. their belief is that non-muslims are infidels and deserve death is a pure and popular belief.
Christians believe in pluralism and don't want to kill off all the other religions.

as for carrying it out... muslims are killing daily for this belief whereas Christians are not.

Believe in it literally? Figuratively? What source do you have for this "vast majority" - is that like the vast majority of Christians believe in Christendom, the concept that a nation is subject to the authority of the Church and that all territories would eventually be united under Christ?

Also, dar al-Islam is not necessarily regarded as a physical place by Muslims. Some Muslim scholars interpret it to revolve around the question of religious security: if a Muslim practices Islam freely in his place of abode, then he will be considered as living in a dar al-Islam, even if he is living in a secular or non-Islamic country.

 

[bewitched]

Also, dar al-Islam is not necessarily regarded as a physical place by Muslims. Some Muslim scholars interpret it to revolve around the question of religious security: if a Muslim practices Islam freely in his place of abode, then he will be considered as living in a dar al-Islam, even if he is living in a secular or non-Islamic country.

yes, dar ul Islam is a physical place. and dar ul Harb is places like the WTC. to understand why we were attacked, and will continue to be attacked, it is important to understand how they think of dar ul Islam, and it is a physical place. Israel happens to be a little scab in the middle of this physical place btw.

again, there isn't as much "interpretation" in Islam as in Christianity as you seem to be thinking (western). dar ul Islam also contains governments as well as population and territory. the same way "jihad" is suppose to be a personal inner struggle (interpreted by Christians and the West)... it isn't, it is physical battle. taqqiya allows the Christians to believe the "spiritual" crap about Islam, it is legal deceit that is blessed by Allah.