Is there an Afterlife?

[cashmcall]

I have claimed apotheosis and what I found would be called heaven.

It is not the biblical heaven though where we have to do whatever Christians think they do there.

What I found was more of a cosmic consciousness and if you believe or give any veracity to what this scientist thinks he found, then you might give my apotheosis a bit of consideration.

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If interested in my experience, I offer this old O.P.

Care to compare the Jesus you know to the one I know?
I have been asked to do an O P showing my beliefs and have written a nutshell view to fill that request.

I was a skeptic till the age of 39. I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself an esoteric ecumenist and Gnostic Christian. Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake and that makes me as hated by Christians today as the ancient Gnostics that Constantine had the Christians kill when he bought the Catholic Church.

“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.”

This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of the O. T. God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheep where Gnostic Christians are goats.

This is perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.
During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.

I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.

This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness or what I call; the Godhead.

The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. It does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.

I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have exaggerated tribal mentalities and poor morals as they have developed a double standard to be able to stomach their God.

I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.

I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to ignore whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar of excellence and seek further.

My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.

Since then, I have tried to collect information that would help any that believe that apotheosis is possible, generally not Christians, --- as they do not believe in the mythical esoteric Jesus that I believe in and churches do not dare teach it.

This first clip gives the theological and philosophical interpretation of what Jesus taught and the second clip show what I think is a close representation of the method that helped me push my apotheosis.

Basically, the usual Christian Jesus is their hero and savior while my version demand that man himself steps up to the plate and save himself.
Which version do you think is more moral and deserving of praise and why?

Regards
DL

There is no ticket to Hell,(you can get there with-out a ticket) But there is a ticket to Heaven, Jesus Christ.. So like your beliefs we to must step up to the plate ... My salvation is handled, its the one thing no one can take from me..

 

[pocketfullofshells]

There is no ticket to Hell,(you can get there with-out a ticket) But there is a ticket to Heaven, Jesus Christ.. So like your beliefs we to must step up to the plate ... My salvation is handled, its the one thing no one can take from me..

Unless of course one of the other 1000 Relgions are right and then your salvation is not in hand but rather a misguided try. But I know, you know your right and they are wrong...Just like evry one else who belives in a different one...you all know...and your all so sure they others are just wrong.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

There is no ticket to Hell,(you can get there with-out a ticket) But there is a ticket to Heaven, Jesus Christ.. So like your beliefs we to must step up to the plate ... My salvation is handled, its the one thing no one can take from me..

No o9ne but yourself can make you do the right thing and be responsible for your own actions. To lay them on another is wr9ong.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

But ignore that you have taken on satanic morals to gain heaven. Perhaps you will be forgiven but I doubt it.

Is God a just judge?

This speaks of Jesus.
He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

The above quote shows this as Gods first actual judgement and shows his setting and accepting a bribe of a human sacrifice to corrupt or alter his justice and judgement.

Justice usually states that only the punishment of the guilty is acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent.
God’s corruption of this usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

If you elect your judges in your country, would you vote God in as a fair and just judge knowing that he can be bribed?

Is God a just judge?

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Unless of course one of the other 1000 Relgions are right and then your salvation is not in hand but rather a misguided try. But I know, you know your right and they are wrong...Just like evry one else who belives in a different one...you all know...and your all so sure they others are just wrong.

It is a game. My fantasy is better than your fantasy.

It would be fun, and was in ancient days, when people sought God and recognized the various myths and religions for what they were. Myths.

Now that we have so many Christian and Muslim idol worshipers, it is hell on earth.

Regards
DL

 

[cashmcall]

No o9ne but yourself can make you do the right thing and be responsible for your own actions. To lay them on another is wr9ong.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

But ignore that you have taken on satanic morals to gain heaven. Perhaps you will be forgiven but I doubt it.

Is God a just judge?

This speaks of Jesus.
He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

The above quote shows this as Gods first actual judgement and shows his setting and accepting a bribe of a human sacrifice to corrupt or alter his justice and judgement.

Justice usually states that only the punishment of the guilty is acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent.
God’s corruption of this usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

If you elect your judges in your country, would you vote God in as a fair and just judge knowing that he can be bribed?

Is God a just judge?

Regards
DL

Glad to see we agree..

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Glad to see we agree..

Yet you plan to ride your scapegoat Jesus into heaven.

You ignore that Satan likes human sacrifice while a God would shun it. Satan will let you know that when he greats you after death if you are not moral enough to see that here.

Regards
DL

 

[cashmcall]

Yet you plan to ride your scapegoat Jesus into heaven.

You ignore that Satan likes human sacrifice while a God would shun it. Satan will let you know that when he greats you after death if you are not moral enough to see that here.

Regards
DL

Being a Christian means knowing who Christ really is. Being a Christian means having a relationship with Christ. Being a Christian means following Jesus.

It does not mean acting good, having a one-time spiritual experience, “confessing Jesus” while your behavior goes on unchanged, just being “moral,” building your life around one or two verses, repeating the “sinner’s prayer” and then sitting back and doing nothing as you await His return, or surrendering to God only those areas of life that aren’t too costly. The word “Christian” means “little Christ” and that is exactly what we are supposed to be—an on-going transformation into the image of God’s son

The way I see it.. If you like some of what Jesus said but aren’t striving to apply everything that He taught, then call yourself ‘Gnostic,’ or ‘spiritual,’ or ‘new age,’ or invent a different term like ‘only-when-it-doesn’t-hurt-Christian.’ True Christianity is difficult.

You have your beliefs, Being a Christian is who I am.. It's who I am period..

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Being a Christian means knowing who Christ really is. Being a Christian means having a relationship with Christ. Being a Christian means following Jesus.

It does not mean acting good, having a one-time spiritual experience, “confessing Jesus” while your behavior goes on unchanged, just being “moral,” building your life around one or two verses, repeating the “sinner’s prayer” and then sitting back and doing nothing as you await His return, or surrendering to God only those areas of life that aren’t too costly. The word “Christian” means “little Christ” and that is exactly what we are supposed to be—an on-going transformation into the image of God’s son

The way I see it.. If you like some of what Jesus said but aren’t striving to apply everything that He taught, then call yourself ‘Gnostic,’ or ‘spiritual,’ or ‘new age,’ or invent a different term like ‘only-when-it-doesn’t-hurt-Christian.’ True Christianity is difficult.

You have your beliefs, Being a Christian is who I am.. It's who I am period..

I like the Jesus I know but not yours. I use his teachings but to free my mind. Not to lock it into a G D book like you have done.

Let me know if you are ever ready to stand on your own two feet instead of burdening your scapegoat Jesus.

Think of the morals you are showing.

Is God a just judge?

This speaks of Jesus.
He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

The above quote shows this as Gods first actual judgement and shows his setting and accepting a bribe of a human sacrifice to corrupt or alter his justice and judgement.

Justice usually states that only the punishment of the guilty is acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent.

God’s corruption of this usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

If you elect your judges in your country, would you vote God in as a fair and just judge knowing that he can be bribed?

Is God a just judge?

Regards
DL

 

[cashmcall]

I like the Jesus I know but not yours. I use his teachings but to free my mind. Not to lock it into a G D book like you have done.

Let me know if you are ever ready to stand on your own two feet instead of burdening your scapegoat Jesus.

Think of the morals you are showing.

Is God a just judge?

This speaks of Jesus.
He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

The above quote shows this as Gods first actual judgement and shows his setting and accepting a bribe of a human sacrifice to corrupt or alter his justice and judgement.

Justice usually states that only the punishment of the guilty is acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent.

God’s corruption of this usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

If you elect your judges in your country, would you vote God in as a fair and just judge knowing that he can be bribed?

Is God a just judge?

Regards
DL

All you have are personal thoughts.. and your opinion .. nothing more.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

All you have are personal thoughts.. and your opinion .. nothing more.

LOL.

Sure beats information from talking animals and religious and lying church hierarchy.

Regards
DL