Is Christianity responsible for equality and liberty?

[PLC1]

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There. I pared your post down to the essentials.

 

[The Scotsman]

I never said I am a 'good catholic'. I even remember describing myself as a nominal catholic.

I'm not even a believer in a God but you should never try and play to the gallery in the face of such facile provocation. Don't give in to the hubris of the masses......


Poor old Dawkins. Poor old Hitchens. You know who I mean: the writers who make a mint with those blockbusters proclaiming that God is dead. They yearn for a human race composed entirely of scientific rationalists, and look at what they get.

You can mock the tenets of Christianity, you can drive people out of churches, you can claim that religion is bunk. But you will never eradicate the superstition in the human heart. Even in this supposedly godless age, we have a deep need to categorise things as holy or unholy

...........right and wrong, clean and unclean. As I am a non-believer I find it easy to stick up for those tenets that can be cherry picked to support the case for a Christisn way of life. I find it easier to understand than the aimless meanderings expressed here. That was unfair I guess because the basis from which I live is...... well........ Live and let live.

Numius. Stand firm and exault in your faith, as I've said to you before I don't have that privilege and doubt I ever will but stand firm and fight your corner!

 

[The Scotsman]

There. I pared your post down to the essentials.

.....perhaps that applies to the other posts as well or haven't you read them?

 

[dahermit]

A, catholic in name only, A.K.A., typical Catholic, A.K.A., the majority of Catholics, do the rituals, but do not live the life as implied by the "Holy mother church". It is what I have maintained all along. Almost all Catholics (including priests), ignore the tenets of their religion and live a life that would shame the most depraved dregs of society. How could that abomination be responsible for Democracy and Equality!

Note: No matter how well intentioned, how pious the Catholic Church and parishioners see themselves, unless those philosophical and erudite tenets are actually followed, they are meaningless and have no positive effect upon societies, let alone be responsible for equality and liberty.

For instance, the 1936 Constitution of the USSR contains the following:

Article 125. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to strengthen the socialist system, the citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed by law:
freedom of speech;
freedom of the press;
freedom of assembly, including the holding of mass meetings;
freedom of street processions and demonstrations.
These civil rights are ensured by placing at the disposal of the working people and their organizations printing presses, stocks of paper, public buildings, the streets, communications facilities and other material requisites for the exercise of these rights.

Yet, these lofty "rights" were never allowed or followed by the USSR. So it is with Catholicism; pretense of a pious life, but the reality is quite different.

 

[numinus]

There. I pared your post down to the essentials.

Thank you.

That is EXACTLY the amount of intellectual content duh(?)-hermit's opinions deserve.

 

[numinus]

I'm not even a believer in a God but you should never try and play to the gallery in the face of such facile provocation. Don't give in to the hubris of the masses......


Poor old Dawkins. Poor old Hitchens. You know who I mean: the writers who make a mint with those blockbusters proclaiming that God is dead. They yearn for a human race composed entirely of scientific rationalists, and look at what they get.

You can mock the tenets of Christianity, you can drive people out of churches, you can claim that religion is bunk. But you will never eradicate the superstition in the human heart. Even in this supposedly godless age, we have a deep need to categorise things as holy or unholy

...........right and wrong, clean and unclean. As I am a non-believer I find it easy to stick up for those tenets that can be cherry picked to support the case for a Christisn way of life. I find it easier to understand than the aimless meanderings expressed here. That was unfair I guess because the basis from which I live is...... well........ Live and let live.

Numius. Stand firm and exault in your faith, as I've said to you before I don't have that privilege and doubt I ever will but stand firm and fight your corner!

Thank you but I stand firm on what I believe. It just so happens that I do not believe in catholicism in its entirety. I do believe, though, that in all the christian denominations I have encountered, catholicism is by far superior in its philosophical impetus.

As I have already mentioned, when one's clear and healthy conscience conflicts with established dogma, it is imperative that the rational individual FOLLOW HIS OWN CONSCIENCE.

 

[dahermit]

Thank you.

That is EXACTLY the amount of intellectual content duh(?)-hermit's opinions deserve.

It is nice to hear from you again. I was afraid that you had left. I always look forward to your posts.

 

[dahermit]

that in all the christian denominations I have encountered, catholicism is by far superior in its philosophical impetus.

That combined with the Soviet Constitution and 85 cents will get you a cup of coffee. The average I.Q. is 100. Most of the peoples (excluding priests) of the World never heard the philosophical basis of catholicism. If they had read them, they would not have understood them. Most humans are driven by more basic motivations (food, shelter, etc.). Therefore, Catholicism is unlikely to have had much, if any influence upon equality and liberty no matter your nostalgic view of growing up in a candle lit church.

 

[numinus]

Note: No matter how well intentioned, how pious the Catholic Church and parishioners see themselves, unless those philosophical and erudite tenets are actually followed, they are meaningless and have no positive effect upon societies, let alone be responsible for equality and liberty.

For instance, the 1936 Constitution of the USSR contains the following:



Yet, these lofty "rights" were never allowed or followed by the USSR. So it is with Catholicism; pretense of a pious life, but the reality is quite different.

What ignorant nonsense.

First off -- divine truth, like the concepts of love, justice, good, etc., are concepts BEYOND the reach of the human condition. If they were, then mankind has no need for redemption and all this talk of religion would be entirely irrelevant.

But we all know mankind is incapable of redeeming himself -- especially from RADICAL EVIL. More than threats of fire, brimstone, and eternal torment, what constitutes as radical evil is the prospect of YOUR VERY EXISTENCE BEING REDUCED TO NOTHINESS.

Can your feeble mind at least, appreciate the gravity of such a thing -- NOTHINGNESS? Can you even begin to imagine such a thing, in the first place? Contemplate your enlish language for a second. Is it not all based on the verb 'to be' -- the implication being that before you can even talk or think of something, that something needs to demonstrate one form of existence first.

We are all defective catholics -- even the pope. So f..cking what??!! If we were all perfect catholics, we wouldn't need god to bridge the gap between the divine and the human condition. We'd do it ourselves.

And I wouldn't even deign to dignify your ussr nonsense with a response. It is patent stupidity arising from your lack of education.

Duh?

 

[numinus]

It is nice to hear from you again. I was afraid that you had left. I always look forward to your posts.

That is almost always the case -- lesser minds are inexorably drawn to their betters.

Don't worry yourself unnecessarily. I will never get tired of pointing out your idiotic nonsense -- if indeed you possess invulnerable ignorance.

 

[numinus]

That combined with the Soviet Constitution and 85 cents will get you a cup of coffee. The average I.Q. is 100. Most of the peoples (excluding priests) of the World never heard the philosophical basis of catholicism. If they had read them, they would not have understood them. Most humans are driven by more basic motivations (food, shelter, etc.). Therefore, Catholicism is unlikely to have had much, if any influence upon equality and liberty no matter your nostalgic view of growing up in a candle lit church.

LMAO.

Speak for yourself. Just because you are ignorant doesn't mean everyone else is, now, does it?

That is the essence of ignorance -- that you are completely unaware of what is outside its confines.

Unlike yourself, the majority of humans ARE NOT driven by basic inclinations. Most humans are driven by REASON. We do not kill, rape or defecate whenever we have the urge because of REASON.

Now, if you insist that YOU act solely on YOUR BASE INCLINATIONS, then I wouldn't argue this piece of fact with you. You may go about like an animal and I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

Duh?

 

[dahermit]

Unlike yourself, the majority of humans ARE NOT driven by basic inclinations. Most humans are driven by REASON. We do not kill, rape or defecate whenever we have the urge because of REASON.

Most humans are not driven by reason preventing rape and murder. They are controlled from killing and raping by fear of government punishment. When that fear of governmental punishment is removed, they kill and rape (outside the confines of their own social group), with reckless abandon, just as in the former Yugoslavia, Uganda, Congo, Nazi's to the Russians and Belorussians, Russians (soviets) to the German civilians, etc., etc.
You do seem to live in an unrealistic dreamland.

Now, do not hold back, spare my feelings, or sugar coat it like you have a tendency to do, tell us how you really feel.

 

[Gipper]

Most humans are not driven by reason preventing rape and murder. They are controlled from killing and raping by fear of government punishment. When that fear of governmental punishment is removed, they kill and rape (outside the confines of their own social group), with reckless abandon, just as in the former Yugoslavia, Uganda, Congo, Nazi's to the Russians and Belorussians, Russians (soviets) to the German civilians, etc., etc.
You do seem to live in an unrealistic dreamland.

Wow...that is really ripe. I know you would like to murder me, but you do not because the government will punish you. I have no doubt this is how you think. Being a lib has its problems.

I have no intention of murdering anyone no matter what the DF government says. Do you know why?

"If it feels good do it. Do it in the road. Turn on, tune in, drop out..." lib mottos are so telling....

 

[dahermit]

I have no intention of murdering anyone no matter what the DF government says. Do you know why?

No, and in your case, nor do I care.

 

[Gipper]

No, and in your case, nor do I care.

Why so testy you old lib from the beautiful town of Ludington?

I can also attest to controlling my behavior by using REASON...unlike some libs who evidently are incapable of reason. So, they invariably behave like animals...they act on their instincts and insatiable desires rather then their God given abilities to REASON.

Very ironic yes? Since many libs do not believe in God, God has relieved them of their ability to REASON.

That is entirely reasonable.