except that it would be our government imprisoning our citizens, who are supposed to be the ones running the government.
The purpose of government is to protect our rights.
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Indefinite Detention of American Citizens
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The purpose of government is to protect our rights.
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Texas_tea
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Ha ... LMAO ... you know Rob a liberal can't answer a question like that ....
Dawkinsrocks
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Don't you have laws in the US prohibiting imprisonment without trial?
What a backward country
Mind you it isn't that long since the US outlawed apartheid
What a backward country
Mind you it isn't that long since the US outlawed apartheid
banning trade with RSA in '86 was not exactly banning apartheid. its interesting you phrased your question as you did, your not being a citizen explains your ignorance of this country.
It is enshrined in the supreme law of the land, the Constitution. Ignoring that part of the Constitution puts the whole thing in jeopardy.
GenSeneca
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The orders were introduced after the then Law Lords declared that the previous system of detaining foreign terrorism suspects without trial, or without prospect of deportation, breached human rights.
The government said it still needed a mechanism which would allow it to control the lives of some suspects whom it said it couldn't prosecute because of the rules over the use of secret intelligence in trials. Control orders were designed to restrict the movements of any kind of suspect, including British nationals.
How do control orders work?
The home secretary has the power to make two different types of control order.
The first type lasts for a year and includes strict conditions such as home curfews and bans on who a suspect can meet. The other form, which has never been used, would involve opting-out of some human rights laws to severely restrict the movements of an individual in a public emergency situation.
Matthew 7:3
GenSeneca
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Ignoring any part of our Constitution puts the whole thing in jeopardy... Which you might recognize if you didn't agree with ignoring some parts of the constitution, like the enumerated powers, which restrict the federal government.
Dawkinsrocks
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So if detaining foreigners wthout trial is OK in the US why not elsewhere?
There is nothing special about US citizens
There is nothing special about US citizens
You are making a simplistic argument. It is not allowed to simply detain foreigners on US soil forever, however that changes when there is a belief that the person is involved in some form of terrorist activity. Let's face it, those who were wrongly detained at GTMO have long been released.
other than being protected from our own government by a Bill of Rights, no, and if we allow that Bill of Rights to be ignored, as we're doing now, then we risk being the subjects of a dictatorship.
Dawkinsrocks
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If locking up people without trial on the pretext of suspicion of terrorism is acceptable then Bush and Cheyney should be in prison.
Look how many US and foreign lives they have taken with their terrorist activities
Look how many US and foreign lives they have taken with their terrorist activities
I suggest a crash course in how the American legal system actually works before continuing to make such asinine claims.
Alias
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Abe Lincoln did it. If it's good enough for Abraham Lincoln then it's good enough for me.
and now, apparently, Obama wants to be able to do the same with American citizens.
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Dawkinsrocks
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Why not? He's American and just as much contolled by the banks and the military as every other US president
If you think the president has any authority you are very deluded
If you think the president has any authority you are very deluded
