Indefinite Detention of American Citizens

[pocketfullofshells]

Yeah, this leaves it way too open to interpretation of what a terrorist group is.

your a terrorist...see its not that hard, I said it , so you are, so jail for you!

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I should have chosen my words more carefully:

Those same sections directly spell out who the "Covered Persons" are:

Section 1031:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

Section 1032:
The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined— (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

Therefore...it seems to be that this legislation would not apply to domestic militia type groups, etc, and seems to solely apply to the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and their affiliates....so given the language it seemingly only applies to those American citizens which might be caught or engaged in terrorist activities abroad...in which case that is seemingly treason -- and I believe (but would need to double check) that the case about the German spies caught in the US found such actions forfeited citizenship -- making the Constitutional protections afforded to citizens not applicable.

ok fine, so I just say you did that..Jail for you...and we can hold you forever.....if you did it or not is of little consequence.

 

[PLC1]

15 (b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under
16 this section is any person as follows:
17 (1) A person who planned, authorized, com18
mitted, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred
19 on September 11, 2001, or harbored those respon20
sible for those attacks.

OK, that sounds good, doesn't it? Anyone who was involved in the attack of 9/11 is certainly a bad guy.

21 (2) A person who was a part of or substantially
22 supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces
23 that are engaged in hostilities against the United
24 States or its coalition partners, including any person
25 who has committed a belligerent act or has directly

1 supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy
2 forces.

Here, one begins to wonder just what "associated forces" might be, and how "directly supported" might be interpreted, particularly when we read this part:

3 (c) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—The dis4
position of a person under the law of war as described
5 in subsection (a) may include the following:
6 (1) Detention under the law of war without
7 trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the
8 Authorization for Use of Military Force.

If they're to be detained without trial until the end of hostilities, i.e. the end of the war on terror (or the end of time?) then one must wonder just how it was determined that they supported an associated force engaged in hostilities against the US.

Moreover, how broadly can "hostilities" be interpreted?

This bit of legislation still sounds dangerous to me, particularly when the brief text above was buried in a document that goes on for over 400 pages. How many senators do you suppose actually read it?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Isn't it a bit rich when Americans complain about this when America practices it so much?

 

[PLC1]

According to this, it was Obama who wanted the exemption for American citizens removed.

[video=youtube;jdVdjoPR3Vk]

 

[dogtowner]

According to this, it was Obama who wanted the exemption for American citizens removed.

Carl Levin sez so as well.

“The language which precluded the application of Section 1031 to American citizens was in the bill that we originally approved…and the administration asked us to remove the language which says that U.S. citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section,” said Levin, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

“It was the administration that asked us to remove the very language which we had in the bill which passed the committee…we removed it at the request of the administration,” said Levin, emphasizing, “It was the administration which asked us to remove the very language the absence of which is now objected to.”

 

[PLC1]

So, it looks like this attack on freedom is about to be passed into law. Why is it that no one is up in arms about it? We have people protesting taxes, people protesting the disparity of income, but no one protesting this Orwellian move to give the government the right to lock American citizens up without trial in the name of keeping us safe from "terrorists."

 

[dogtowner]

So, it looks like this attack on freedom is about to be passed into law. Why is it that no one is up in arms about it? We have people protesting taxes, people protesting the disparity of income, but no one protesting this Orwellian move to give the government the right to lock American citizens up without trial in the name of keeping us safe from "terrorists."

sensory overload on congressional matters as well as a dirth of msm reporting. and some percentage who might like to see this happen to a similar percentage whose opinions differ from theirs.

 

[PLC1]

sensory overload on congressional matters as well as a dirth of msm reporting. and some percentage who might like to see this happen to a similar percentage whose opinions differ from theirs.

Yes, no doubt all of the above.

 

[dogtowner]

Yes, no doubt all of the above.

bet people will all act really surprised once the first one is shipped off to Gitmo.

 

[PLC1]

bet people will all act really surprised once the first one is shipped off to Gitmo.

That's a pretty sure bet, if they even know when the first one is shipped off to Gitmo, that is.

 

[dogtowner]

That's a pretty sure bet, if they even know when the first one is shipped off to Gitmo, that is.

oh boy ! disappearing people like Ole Joe liked to do ! but people will notice if Boehner or Pelosi cease to be

 

[Alias]

The USA survived when Abraham Lincoln did this and we will survive again.

 

[dogtowner]

The USA survived when Abraham Lincoln did this and we will survive again.

no. the United States died as a result of that and we were left with the socialist-lite mess we have today.

 

[Alias]

no. the United States died as a result of that and we were left with the socialist-lite mess we have today.

I don't think there is a direct link from Lincoln detaining prisoners indefinitely to our nation moving left. I agree we are turning left, but I think we are about to turn back.