This argument did nothing to win anyone over. It just insulted people who were already pissed off. I know it was the final straw for me when everyone in the establishment started saying it religiously. Unless democrats actually change policy on Israel then they have no right to guilt trip these people into voting for them.
Yet I note you did not dispute it.
The final straw is people not voting for democrats because they realize that the democrats would rather gaslight and keep taking donor money and then tell people enraged by that to fall in line. It’s sick. They deserve whatever they got coming. If that’s a Trump presidency then so be it. The nation be damned if this is how we’re going to be. That’s just a glimpse for you into the minds of what these voters are thinking which includes myself. We don’t give a fuck what happens unless you stop the genocide of the Palestinians. Our vote is the only leverage we have. So we’re using it. Unlike Biden who has it with Israel and willfully refuses to use it because he likes seeing Palestinians killed and he is a Zionist.
This is all fine except that a person against Gaza situation imo should not be for Netanyahu and/or Trump. And certainly does not explain why such ex dem person would agree with nearly all other Trump policies. You do not respond to any of those two arguments.
Genocide is the crime of all crimes, so the first world issue of abortion becomes irrelevant for example in the face of that. Democrats have made crystal clear that they’ll continue to fund and arm Israel if elected. So voting for democrats is still supporting Netanyahu. And you can’t be evil and fight evil in my mind. So the war within must be handled. The enemy within our own party must be defeated before we can defeat republicans. Because right now democrats are becoming republicans and I’m trying to stop that. Starving democrats of votes can only work for so long. If they’re unwilling to change because they love the donors more then we’ll have to find a new party.
Mostly agree, kinda. And you explained the “I vote stein/trump mostly to punish dems because I believe that is the only way to go to the next phase of hoping for a good Dem party.” Except that I hope you will agree this will hurt you main cause (Gaza) in the short term but you claim that might be better for them in the long run. Fair enough except as Cheney said we do not have that luxury and more devastatingly Gaza might not have luxury. If Trump wing we might no longer have Gaza or recovery in us or Ukraine any more.
Why would I listen to something a Cheney says? I’m not in favor of any Trump policy. Palestinian genocide is the one issue I care about right now. Everything else is just regular political stuff and wedge issues we bitch about every year. Murder will always be my biggest red line and I’m ashamed in humanity for it not being a more popular stance. I’m disgusted by how selfish everyone is and how far they’ll go to protect a monster like Biden from protestors. I see the way they drown them out with chants and cover their faces with Harris flags at rallies. These people are cowards and cowards deserve no mercy in my book. They deserve Trump. America is dog shit. And I’d rather just own up to that than put up a facade with Harris.
I think i see how you're thinking. That could work out well. I'll tell you what else is working out. Gen Z...they're stupid. Harris has said so..i have the video. It is plain as day. These 18 to 24 year olds go to vote and they're writing in the blank space..unicorn, dreams, or some such nonsens..and drawing a stick figure. That's all good...it means one less vote for Harris. As a taxpaying voter...i thank you GenZ! Keep up the good work.
There are robo calls in PA urging democrats to vote for stein. However those calls are not from stein but from Trump. I am sure some dems would fall for it and vote for stein.
Even if they do fall for it or it is a scam it’s still democrats fault for allowing this to be a weakness for them. They should’ve done the right thing and put their foot down with Israel. Then they wouldn’t have to worry about losing progressives and using Cheney to try to trade them off for conservatives who don’t like Trump. Shittiest campaigning ever on both sides. It just goes to show how much the donor class has destroyed our system and made a mockery of our values.
All of them are doing it and how could you possibly know that?
Yes, plentiful campaign money and electoral college are ruining this country.
I think democrats allowing it to be a weakness for them is bad in itself. I think there’s more to gain from not siding with zionists. Gabriel will tell you otherwise. But he’s a god damn coward with zero solutions and doesn’t actually believe in protest. He’s defeatist. The reason I voted for Jill Stein was because I believe in putting up a fight. And I’ll put it up against any who cross me. And what democrats have done for a whole year now is piss me off again and again.
