Did Obama really have gay sex and smoked crack in a Limo?

[pocketfullofshells]

Its good to know the Right cant do jack anymore with out gutter polics and mindless attacks. I am sooooo glad I ditched that party.

 

[BigRob]

Its good to know the Right cant do jack anymore with out gutter polics and mindless attacks. I am sooooo glad I ditched that party.

All of this aside, do we want to elect someone who is proposing the biggest spending increase and the biggest tax increase in the history of this country?

 

[Popeye]

All of this aside, do we want to elect someone who is proposing the biggest spending increase and the biggest tax increase in the history of this country?

Bush is the biggest spender since LBJ, before you go picking apart Obama's proposals, maybe you could explain to me what happened to Bush, a man you voted for twice, and his promises to cut government waste.

 

[BigRob]

Bush is the biggest spender since LBJ, before you go picking apart Obama's proposals, maybe you could explain to me what happened to Bush, a man you voted for twice, and his promises to cut government waste.

Bush did not do a good job keeping these promises. But last time I checked, Bush was not in this election.

I simply do not understand how anyone pulls out this argument about Bush's spending in support of Obama, when Obama's proposed spending will make Bush look like he spent nothing.

At least if Obama wins we can know that Bush will become the second biggest spender since LBJ, and if he does not, then he has not kept his campaign promises either.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

All of this aside, do we want to elect someone who is proposing the biggest spending increase and the biggest tax increase in the history of this country?

The party that gave us the Iraq war, the biggest Debt , and then cut taxes...and I should vote for them to lead again? Horrible on the envirment, and gave the goverment way to much power to get into peoples personal lives...and a party with no real solution to get health care to the millions in the US who have none?

 

[BigRob]

The party that gave us the Iraq war, the biggest Debt , and then cut taxes...and I should vote for them to lead again? Horrible on the envirment, and gave the goverment way to much power to get into peoples personal lives...and a party with no real solution to get health care to the millions in the US who have none?

Obama will have to either raise taxes on more than he is promising, or deficit spend to fund his proposals. (I explained in a different post) The Iraq War also has the potential to turn out a success, if we allow it to. (I know there are recent problems with the Kurds in Kirkuk, and we need to work them out)

The environment is not a huge issue for me, so I will grant you that one, but most of the "new" powers that Bush "enacted" were already on the books in some form. The Patriot Act for the most part simply put together a lot of existing laws.

I think the solution for health care is through the private sector, but that plan will never get anywhere right now sadly, but I think it is far better than government taking it over.

 

[Sihouette]

Back to the subject...

Here's more from The Conservative Voice link. Source: http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/33164.html

......So what does Obama do to stop Larry Sinclair from telling the truth about the crack cocaine use? Not what you would expect. Rather than addressing the issue himself, Obama uses a messenger in the form of Donald Young, a gay Choir Director from Trinity Church in Chicago, to call Larry Sinclair. Donald Young comes right out and asks Larry Sinclair why he did not mention the sexual relationship that Obama and Sinclair shared? Now, see, Larry Sinclair didn't even want that known. That was a non-issue. The crack cocaine use was the important thing to Larry Sinclair. "Just tell people you use crack cocaine more recently than you claim, Mr. Obama." That is all Larry Sinclair wanted. But that wasn't what he got.


Gosh! Those were the good 'ol days! A very short time ago, life was simple for the Sinclair family, wasn't it? Donald Young, the messenger, was still alive. You do know, he has been murdered. Harassing emails weren't a problem for Larry, back then. The person who threatened Larry Sinclair's life and his Mother's life wasn't even in the picture, much less the FBI who refused charges filed against same. Back then you would had to have laughed out loud to think Larry Sinclair, with all his faults, could be important enough for the Attorney General of Delaware to take action in a trumped up case, use taxpayer expense money to travel to Washington, D.C.. and file charges for, what was that?.... say that again!.....Unknown Charges? And then he had the case sealed? Unbelievable!....

This is the foreshadowing of what the GOP is spinning for the unelectable Obama. Can democrats adequately fend off these allegations once they are finally "approved" by ??? to be released to TV? Do they have adequate alibis to explain how Obama wasn't where Sinclair's polygraph test says he was, doing with Obama what he said he did?

Will democrats be able to convince stunned and gossiping middle-grounders in time to pull them back by the November election? For that matter, will he be able to recover the far left who might be amazed to learn that talkative alleged gay partners of Obama's were murdered, in Chicago, like ducks in a row at the end of last year?

These are all questions democrats need to ask themselves NOW and not later.

 

[UShadItComing]

Best to make up a story on McCain taking part in sexual orgies at highbrow parties. How he loaded up on so much Viagra and Cocaine that he needed medical attention to save his life. And then show the pictures of his wife naked and getting it three ways by three guys at the same time.

Could they sell it as well as an Obama sec story? Pictures and proof from others is easy to manufacture these days and they can be so good it's undetectable.

 

[Sihouette]

No, I meant the democrats need equally credible alibis to things like passed polygraph tests.

I'm not putting the stamp of approval on the Sinclair plan. I'm just saying that being prepared is the best strategy. They have four witnesses. Three of them are dead, murdered just before or after they allegedly planned to spill the beans about Obama allegedly being gay; and one of them has a youtube video, very candid I might add, and a passed polygraph test.

Circumstantial evidence can be compelling if "arranged" in the right way. Look for that to happen on TV sometime after Denver. The GOP ain't f-ing around this time. Come to think of it, they never f around, they always play hardball to win.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Obama will have to either raise taxes on more than he is promising, or deficit spend to fund his proposals. (I explained in a different post) The Iraq War also has the potential to turn out a success, if we allow it to. (I know there are recent problems with the Kurds in Kirkuk, and we need to work them out)

The environment is not a huge issue for me, so I will grant you that one, but most of the "new" powers that Bush "enacted" were already on the books in some form. The Patriot Act for the most part simply put together a lot of existing laws.

I think the solution for health care is through the private sector, but that plan will never get anywhere right now sadly, but I think it is far better than government taking it over.

There are issues in Iraq of course, but I think when they see us really leaving, it will push them even more to deal with them. US troops standing there in harms way will not solve any of those issues. I would love to see Iraq a success...but even in that success I will still see it as years of screw ups and horrible planning, and a loss of human life that could have been avoided with better planning and the use of Realism.

the Environment is always a big issue for me, if grown up camping fishing and enjoying the outdoors and wildlife..and now a days you cant even eat the fish you catch because the waters are so polluted that its not safe, and I feel that Global warming is going to impact us in many ways that few people seem to grasp. The Pentagon report on future conflicts due to global warming is a bit scary. As for the Patriot act, to me it is a crushing blow to Our rights to be protect from our Government and our Privacy. The powers granted to the government I fear more then any terror group. From wire taps with no warrant, to being able to enter a home and not have to serve a warrant, to Bush's holding people with out trial but with no real way for them to defend himself ..and even trying to do that with Americans at times till the courts stepped in.

As for Health care , I don't see how any Private run system is going to ever truly offer a fair and good health care system for all Americans. I believe the best is for a government run system set up that insures that coverage is there for all, but also retains the parts of the Free market system that it can as well. The people that cry about look at X's system and how bad it is, we dont want that....I think you know what just because they have a broke system does not mean we cant be smart enough to use what works there and keep what works now for us and build a system that is better for all. And I think its time we understood that its time that we stopped saying its a really a private free market system anyway. Fact is , 95% of Americans have coverage based not on looking at all the choices....but rather this is where I work this is what they give me. And I know some fear that it means taxes will go up...well I was paying 150 a month before , after my job picked up part of it as well....I know people who shell out more then 500 a month for health care....so unless the taxes when up 6000 a year for them they saved...and that's not counting what there employees are putting in that they would save in taxes. Add to that the fact that to use me for example as I currently have none...had high blood Pressure...I would not know as I cant get a check up or pay for the treatment if I did anyway....but if if because I did not get that, I had a heart attack next month that could have been prevented....the Government will end up paying that bill anyway and that price for the treatment of a heart attack is far far far greater then. Early treatment and preventive care could help save a lot of people can a lot of money.

 

[GenSeneca]

The powers granted to the government I fear more then any terror group.

Yet you think its a good idea to turn the Healthcare system over to the Government?

Please, name ONE government program that is not overbudget, that does what it was created to do and that you can consider an example of how a well run government program can function.

 

[UShadItComing]

There are issues in Iraq of course, but I think when they see us really leaving, it will push them even more to deal with them. US troops standing there in harms way will not solve any of those issues. I would love to see Iraq a success...but even in that success I will still see it as years of screw ups and horrible planning, and a loss of human life that could have been avoided with better planning and the use of Realism.

the Environment is always a big issue for me, if grown up camping fishing and enjoying the outdoors and wildlife..and now a days you cant even eat the fish you catch because the waters are so polluted that its not safe, and I feel that Global warming is going to impact us in many ways that few people seem to grasp. The Pentagon report on future conflicts due to global warming is a bit scary. As for the Patriot act, to me it is a crushing blow to Our rights to be protect from our Government and our Privacy. The powers granted to the government I fear more then any terror group. From wire taps with no warrant, to being able to enter a home and not have to serve a warrant, to Bush's holding people with out trial but with no real way for them to defend himself ..and even trying to do that with Americans at times till the courts stepped in.

As for Health care , I don't see how any Private run system is going to ever truly offer a fair and good health care system for all Americans. I believe the best is for a government run system set up that insures that coverage is there for all, but also retains the parts of the Free market system that it can as well. The people that cry about look at X's system and how bad it is, we dont want that....I think you know what just because they have a broke system does not mean we cant be smart enough to use what works there and keep what works now for us and build a system that is better for all. And I think its time we understood that its time that we stopped saying its a really a private free market system anyway. Fact is , 95% of Americans have coverage based not on looking at all the choices....but rather this is where I work this is what they give me. And I know some fear that it means taxes will go up...well I was paying 150 a month before , after my job picked up part of it as well....I know people who shell out more then 500 a month for health care....so unless the taxes when up 6000 a year for them they saved...and that's not counting what there employees are putting in that they would save in taxes. Add to that the fact that to use me for example as I currently have none...had high blood Pressure...I would not know as I cant get a check up or pay for the treatment if I did anyway....but if if because I did not get that, I had a heart attack next month that could have been prevented....the Government will end up paying that bill anyway and that price for the treatment of a heart attack is far far far greater then. Early treatment and preventive care could help save a lot of people can a lot of money.

Excellent! But please tell me it isn't true that you can't even go to your doctor and have your blood pressure checked. Even though you are paying for insurance?????

Now we're starting to get to the bottom of this thing but you need to keep in mind that Rob doesn't care about you and his fellow Americans so you need to approach this debate in a different manner. Don't appeal to his sense of fairness or his human decency, but instead appeal to his wallet. If Rob thought for a minute that he could make more money or save more money by fixing your system then you would have him converted in a NY minute!

But do tell us more. Tell us why you don't have insurance now. Tell us why you are willing to risk death because of a lack of preventive measures which you could have if you lived in Canada. Is it because you have much better uses for the $150/month and that doesn't buy you anything worthwhile anyway?

p.s. Canadians care. Go buy yourself a portable b.p. meter and test yourself frequently. If you have high b.p. then let me know and I'll send you a couple of months supply of cheap medication for about 5 bucks. Or go out on the street with a tincup, but at least do what you need to do. If you have children you owe it to them at least!

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Excellent! But please tell me it isn't true that you can't even go to your doctor and have your blood pressure checked. Even though you are paying for insurance?????

Now we're starting to get to the bottom of this thing but you need to keep in mind that Rob doesn't care about you and his fellow Americans so you need to approach this debate in a different manner. Don't appeal to his sense of fairness or his human decency, but instead appeal to his wallet. If Rob thought for a minute that he could make more money or save more money by fixing your system then you would have him converted in a NY minute!

But do tell us more. Tell us why you don't have insurance now. Tell us why you are willing to risk death because of a lack of preventive measures which you could have if you lived in Canada. Is it because you have much better uses for the $150/month and that doesn't buy you anything worthwhile anyway?

p.s. Canadians care. Go buy yourself a portable b.p. meter and test yourself frequently. If you have high b.p. then let me know and I'll send you a couple of months supply of cheap medication for about 5 bucks. Or go out on the street with a tincup, but at least do what you need to do. If you have children you owe it to them at least!

1 I dont pay for health care, as I did not have the money for it with low pay and to many bills. And when I said 150 that was when my job was paying for part of it, I no longer have that job as I made the choice to take a new job with much better pay and health care...that job did not work out so I was left again with no coverage. And with no coverage it and back to a low paying job while I looked for better employment, I could not afford the cost of a check up. I got a bad case of Bronchitis for about a week and half missed some work for it, but was not able to get meds for it because I would have had to go to a DR to pay them to tell me what I already knew to get meds I already knew what I needed. Even then the cost of the drugs would have been high, and with that I already had missed some work thus even more money it was just not a good idea in my $ situation. I instead turned to the black market so to speak, a freind of mine had some health issues before and had some left over anti Biotics....the plan was if I was not better the the next day I was going to got o her place and just use hers...a major no no, but it seemed the best choice I had...She herself was luck as she lost her job and ended up with a new one that happened to have a better health plan ( again your job picks your plan, no the comsumer like a free market should) and since it was just a bit better she ended up able to get a life saving surgery that would not have been covered by with her old plan...so lucky her do to her job , she is much better today though still not 100%.

Also no I have no kids, and I Appreciate the offer for sending some drugs down here, but I am a lucky guy in that I dont get sick easy or often.

As for Rob, you can hold your views of how to debate him, but just because you feel he is that uncaring does not men I am not going to assume the same. I think Health care system is in major need of reform not only because of the unfairness of it, but yes I think the cost of it is way to high and hurts way to many families here in the US. Also A issue I think ignored often, that I have actuly talked about at a press conference for MN2020.org is that our health care system being tied to our jobs , not only hurts companies, but also is hurts employee wages and flexibility. I know many people who hate there jobs but cant leave there job due to health issues and that if they leave they need to get a new health care plan that may not cover it or charge more...and you run the risk like me of the job now working out for some reason and you are stuck with medicals bills and no job to pay for them.

To this day I have no idea how people can say with a strait face the US has one of the best medical systems in the world...

 

[PLC1]

1 I dont pay for health care, as I did not have the money for it with low pay and to many bills. And when I said 150 that was when my job was paying for part of it, I no longer have that job as I made the choice to take a new job with much better pay and health care...that job did not work out so I was left again with no coverage. And with no coverage it and back to a low paying job while I looked for better employment, I could not afford the cost of a check up. I got a bad case of Bronchitis for about a week and half missed some work for it, but was not able to get meds for it because I would have had to go to a DR to pay them to tell me what I already knew to get meds I already knew what I needed. Even then the cost of the drugs would have been high, and with that I already had missed some work thus even more money it was just not a good idea in my $ situation. I instead turned to the black market so to speak, a freind of mine had some health issues before and had some left over anti Biotics....the plan was if I was not better the the next day I was going to got o her place and just use hers...a major no no, but it seemed the best choice I had...She herself was luck as she lost her job and ended up with a new one that happened to have a better health plan ( again your job picks your plan, no the comsumer like a free market should) and since it was just a bit better she ended up able to get a life saving surgery that would not have been covered by with her old plan...so lucky her do to her job , she is much better today though still not 100%.

Also no I have no kids, and I Appreciate the offer for sending some drugs down here, but I am a lucky guy in that I dont get sick easy or often.

As for Rob, you can hold your views of how to debate him, but just because you feel he is that uncaring does not men I am not going to assume the same. I think Health care system is in major need of reform not only because of the unfairness of it, but yes I think the cost of it is way to high and hurts way to many families here in the US. Also A issue I think ignored often, that I have actuly talked about at a press conference for MN2020.org is that our health care system being tied to our jobs , not only hurts companies, but also is hurts employee wages and flexibility. I know many people who hate there jobs but cant leave there job due to health issues and that if they leave they need to get a new health care plan that may not cover it or charge more...and you run the risk like me of the job now working out for some reason and you are stuck with medicals bills and no job to pay for them.

To this day I have no idea how people can say with a strait face the US has one of the best medical systems in the world...

There we have it, from the perspective of one of those 42 million uninsured.

I don't know how anyone says we have the best system in the world either, with a straight face or not. Shaun Hannity says it all of the time on rant radio, but I don't see how he is to be believed over the WHO.

Not only are there millions of uninsured, who cost the rest of us more due to having to get their care in the emergency room, but there are millions more who would leave unsatisfying jobs to find better if they didn't have to stay in order to keep health insurance due to issues, or simply to age.

We'd be much freer to change jobs and to start businesses if it weren't for the necessity of keeping group medical coverage, which is usually only available through an employer.

And, the employers would be much better able to compete in world markets if they didn't have to shell out thousands of dollars for employee health coverage.

But, the only alternative seen by the anti universal coverage voices is "government run" health care. We don't need the government to run health care, just to establish a single payer system that covers everyone, then regulate how much is paid for what. If our government can't do that, then it's high time we threw the rascals out and started over.

Often, I think it's high time we threw the rascals out and started over anyway.

 

[top gun]

Yet you think its a good idea to turn the Healthcare system over to the Government?

Please, name ONE government program that is not overbudget, that does what it was created to do and that you can consider an example of how a well run government program can function.

They do it in Canada just fine and the people up there love it. Have many friends there. They won't even come down here to visit us without getting a stop gap policy just in case something happens down here and they get hurt or fall ill.

As far a government programs... Post Office does a fine job!