Conservatism’s core beliefs

Capitalism is the only moral, sustainable political and economic system. Mixed economies are volatile and unstable, planned economies are stable only in the consistency of their decline and both are immoral.

Now that is a mouthful and so true. If we could just get it taught in all our schools, some commonsense might actually reach the masses.

Capitalism IS the only system that works. Yet, many here and around the world denigrate capitalism and believe socialism the answer.

Lets say the Founding Fathers were socialists and imposed a socialist system on America in 1776. Does anyone really believe America would become the greatest nation the world has ever seen...under socialism?
 
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Now that is a mouthful and so true. If we could just get it taught in all our schools, some commonsense might actually reach the masses.

Capitalism IS the only system that works. Yet, many here and around the world denigrate capitalism and believe socialism the answer.

Lets say the Founding Fathers were socialists and imposed a socialist system on America in 1776. Does anyone really believe America would become the greatest nation the world has ever seen...under socialism?

If that were the case we would not even be here anymore if we ever were a country at all.


If nothing else, I am sure we would be speaking German
 
Capitalism IS the only system that works.

Capitalism is like democracy. And as Churchill said about democracy, capitalism is the worst form of economics except for all of the rest. Anyone who believes capitalism is without faults is a fool. Anyone who believes any other system is better is an even greater fool. Thus we have capitalism- as well as society to regulate it. Otherwise capitalism destroys itself.

Lets say the Founding Fathers were socialists and imposed a socialist system on America in 1776. Does anyone really believe America would become the greatest nation the world has ever seen...under socialism?

The system the Founding Fathers imposed on posterity included slavery. So what's your point?
 
If that were the case we would not even be here anymore if we ever were a country at all.


If nothing else, I am sure we would be speaking German

With 1/2 of the U.S. population having German ancestry- we almost ended up speaking German anyway. I have ancestry from the Rhineland, Bavaria and Austria and while my Germanic ancestry has been in America since at least the 1730s my grandmother had grandparents who still knew their Rhenish version of German as recently as the 1930s. There is a story about a Pennsylvania National Guard unit that was in France during World War I. This unit strayed over enemy lines and was about to be fired upon by a German artillery unit- until the Germans heard the Americans speaking in their Pennsylvania Dutch dialect.

Apart from this there is little chance that Americans would have had to learn German. The English have always imposed their language on anybody who has ever invaded their Island and on anybody they have ever conquered. The English supplanted the Gaelic and the Latin of the Britons they conquered and then the Danes could not impose their dialect on the English and neither could the Normans impose their French. Even if the Hun had managed to invade England, the Hun would speaking English by now.
 
How did we have a mixed economy in the 1920s?
We have never had a laissez faire system. The closest we came to it was the years immediately after our founding, where regulations were at a minimum, and they've only increase from there. So yes, due to the regulations and market manipulations of the federal government, we have always operated under a mixed economy, including the '20s.

And if capitalism was regulated in the 1920s, it obviously was not regulated enough.
The only problem was governments failure to function in its proper role, to protect us from force and fraud. Government itself was perpetuating the fraud, through the federal reserve, and using force, by manipulation of the currency and markets, so rather than protecting us from force and fraud, government was actively engaged in, or supporting, fraudulent practices - just as it did in the recent mortgage crisis.

Things like FDIC and the SEC were created after the stock market collapsed and the nation had a banking crisis- not before.
The collapse and banking crisis were results of government intervention. These failures were blamed, as they always are, on "unregulated" capitalism, so the proposed solutions are always more government regulations and interventions... Which create or perpetuate problems, which are again blamed on capitalism, and lead to more government regulations and interventions.

Since these things were put in place we haven’t had a 1929-style stock market collapse or a 1932-style banking crisis in this country.
That's a result of abandoning the gold standard not the creation of any government regulatory bodies. When we were on a gold standard, the feds creation of a greater supply of money than was backed by gold created a market bubble and the devastating collapse. Now that our currency is no longer backed by gold, the fed is free to print unlimited quantities of money which still creates market bubbles, still leads to collapse, and just as before, these problems are blamed on "unregulated" Capitalism, but the damaging effects are minimized because of the nature of fiat currency.

And before the New Deal this country had no social welfare system apart from charity. We did not have social security or unemployment insurance before 1933 so the recession that started in 1929 was able to become the Great Depression by 1932.
The great depression was only "great" here in America, in all other countries its only known as a depression. The greatness of our depression was a direct result of our governments policies which deepened and prolonged the depression.
 
My college education (40+ credit hours in history and political science to go along with my bachelor’s degree in biology) and a lifetime of independent study. Now what are your credentials?

A Bachelor's Degree in business administration from The Ohio State University...

started, owned & operated 2 small businesses (auto body shops) for 10 years then sold both at excellent profit... then 5 years purchasing manager for a large multi-state pool, spa & billiards company... working the last 12 years for the largest Property Management company in the midwest... elected to Realtor Board... elected to School Board... ran or was a major part of several other's political campaigns along the way with 52 years of life experience.

 
New Republican Definitions:D

alternative energy sources
n. New locations to drill for gas and oil.

bankruptcy
n. A punishable crime when committed by poor people but not corporations

Cheney, Dick
n. The greater of two evils.

class warfare
n. Any attempt to raise the minimum wage.

climate change
n. The day when the blue states are swallowed by the oceans.

compassionate conservatism
n. Poignant concern for the very wealthy.

DeLay, Tom
n. 1. Past tense of De Lie 2. Patronage saint.

democracy
n. So extensively exported that the domestic supply is depleted.

Fox News
fict. Faux news.

free markets
n. Halliburton no-bid contracts at taxpayer expense.

God
n. Senior presidential adviser.

growth
n. 1. The justification for tax cuts for the rich. 2. What happens to the national debt when Republicans cut taxes on the rich.

gun control
n. The index finger, usually on the right hand. No other definitions or usage.

habeas corpus
n. Archaic. (Lat.) Legal term no longer in use (See Patriot Act).

healthy forest
n. No tree left behind.

honesty
n. Lies told in simple declarative sentences--e.g., "Freedom is on the march."

House of Representatives
n. Exclusive club; entry fee $1 million to $5 million.

laziness
n. When the poor are not working.

leisure time
n. When the wealthy are not working.

liberal(s)
n. Followers of the Anti-christ.

neoconservatives
n. Nerds with Napoleonic complexes.

9/11
n. Tragedy used to justify any administrative policy. (see Terra, Terra, Terra)

No Child Left Behind
riff. 1. v. There are always jobs in the military.

ownership society
n. A civilization where 1 percent of the population controls 90 percent of the wealth.

Patriot Act
n. The pre-emptive strike on American freedoms to prevent the terrorists from destroying them first.

pro-life
adj. Valuing human life until birth.

Senate
n. Exclusive club; entry fee $10 million to $30 million.

simplifiy
v. To cut the taxes of Republican donors.

staying the course
interj. Slang. Saying and doing the same stupid thing over and over, regardless of the result.

voter fraud
n. A significant minority turnout.

Wal-Mart
n. The nation-state, future tense.

water
n. Arsenic storage device.
 
Wow GenSeneca those are some very good posts. Thank you.

Government helped cause the Great Depression and then it's actions prolonged it. Yet, the left continues to claim it was uncontrolled capitalism that caused it and of course, it was all the fault of the Rs who failed to intervene. But, the truth is Hoover was a huge interventionist and then FDR made it much worse.

The similarities to what has occurred the past few years are striking. The government helped cause the housing bubble and is now making it worse. They also helped cause the meltdown on Wall Street by repealing much of Glass-Steagall and failing to perform their regulatory function. To say nothing of the corruption on the part of both party's politicians to enrich themselves.

And, some think the government running our health care system will be an improvement. Crazy!!!
 
Wow GenSeneca those are some very good posts. Thank you.

And, some think the government running our health care system will be an improvement. Crazy!!!

Oh, yes the good ole government: Has supplied us with door to door mail service, IRS tax collection, Social Security funding, Medicaid, Medicare, AmTrak, Chrysler (circa 1980's} and a plethora of other entities that haven't always been managed according to 'HOYLE' and for those lessor thinking/greedy humans that will 'screw their own GRANNY' to get ahead in this world...we seem to be able to do some major things quite correctly in this democracy and for that I'm very very thankful :cool:
 
We have never had a laissez faire system.

So this is why we had snake oil salesmen and meat packers who sold rats and other vermin before the first federal pure food and drug law was enacted after the turn of the 20th century?
 
A Bachelor's Degree in business administration from The Ohio State University...

started, owned & operated 2 small businesses (auto body shops) for 10 years then sold both at excellent profit... then 5 years purchasing manager for a large multi-state pool, spa & billiards company... working the last 12 years for the largest Property Management company in the midwest... elected to Realtor Board... elected to School Board... ran or was a major part of several other's political campaigns along the way with 52 years of life experience.


Just how does any of this qualify you to discuss political ideologies with any kind of certitude?

BTW: you are only 10 years older than I am- and I once ran for the U.S. Congress as a write-in candidate to insure that an incumbent in a gerrymandered district had a challenger so a general election would be held.
 
New Republican Definitions:D

alternative energy sources
n. New locations to drill for gas and oil.

bankruptcy
n. A punishable crime when committed by poor people but not corporations

Cheney, Dick
n. The greater of two evils.

class warfare
n. Any attempt to raise the minimum wage.

climate change
n. The day when the blue states are swallowed by the oceans.

compassionate conservatism
n. Poignant concern for the very wealthy.

DeLay, Tom
n. 1. Past tense of De Lie 2. Patronage saint.

democracy
n. So extensively exported that the domestic supply is depleted.

Fox News
fict. Faux news.

free markets
n. Halliburton no-bid contracts at taxpayer expense.

God
n. Senior presidential adviser.

growth
n. 1. The justification for tax cuts for the rich. 2. What happens to the national debt when Republicans cut taxes on the rich.

gun control
n. The index finger, usually on the right hand. No other definitions or usage.

habeas corpus
n. Archaic. (Lat.) Legal term no longer in use (See Patriot Act).

healthy forest
n. No tree left behind.

honesty
n. Lies told in simple declarative sentences--e.g., "Freedom is on the march."

House of Representatives
n. Exclusive club; entry fee $1 million to $5 million.

laziness
n. When the poor are not working.

leisure time
n. When the wealthy are not working.

liberal(s)
n. Followers of the Anti-christ.

neoconservatives
n. Nerds with Napoleonic complexes.

9/11
n. Tragedy used to justify any administrative policy. (see Terra, Terra, Terra)

No Child Left Behind
riff. 1. v. There are always jobs in the military.

ownership society
n. A civilization where 1 percent of the population controls 90 percent of the wealth.

Patriot Act
n. The pre-emptive strike on American freedoms to prevent the terrorists from destroying them first.

pro-life
adj. Valuing human life until birth.

Senate
n. Exclusive club; entry fee $10 million to $30 million.

simplifiy
v. To cut the taxes of Republican donors.

staying the course
interj. Slang. Saying and doing the same stupid thing over and over, regardless of the result.

voter fraud
n. A significant minority turnout.

Wal-Mart
n. The nation-state, future tense.

water
n. Arsenic storage device.

Your point?
 
Wow GenSeneca those are some very good posts. Thank you.

Government helped cause the Great Depression and then it's actions prolonged it. Yet, the left continues to claim it was uncontrolled capitalism that caused it and of course, it was all the fault of the Rs who failed to intervene. But, the truth is Hoover was a huge interventionist and then FDR made it much worse.

The similarities to what has occurred the past few years are striking. The government helped cause the housing bubble and is now making it worse. They also helped cause the meltdown on Wall Street by repealing much of Glass-Steagall and failing to perform their regulatory function. To say nothing of the corruption on the part of both party's politicians to enrich themselves.

And, some think the government running our health care system will be an improvement. Crazy!!!

In terms of economic subsidies and the greatest government give-a-way program in world history the Republicans are tops- transcontinental railroad and the Homestead Act. Interventionist Republicans didn't start with Hoover. However, things like railroads and homesteading served the purpose of promoting a powerful nation that could compete with the rest of the world so they were legitimate activities for the federal government despite what small-government types believe.
 
Just how does any of this qualify you to discuss political ideologies with any kind of certitude?

He is qualified because he is an American who pays attention to public affairs. Are you trying to claim that no one is qualified to comment on our political scene unless they have run for office??? That is not what America is all about.

Now, it is unfortunate that much of what Popgun knows is wrong, but that is whole different issue.
 
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Oh, yes the good ole government: Has supplied us with door to door mail service, IRS tax collection, Social Security funding, Medicaid, Medicare, AmTrak, Chrysler (circa 1980's} and a plethora of other entities that haven't always been managed according to 'HOYLE'

More like Marquess of Queensbury.

Regulating the economy to prevent its disruption by the business cycle and regulating human nature to lessen the disruptive effects of human greed are legitimate conservative, but not libertarian, goals. No legitimate conservative wants a laissez-faire economy- or a socialist economy either.
 
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