California Proposition 8

[top gun]

Your response to my question to Mare about where he draws the line on prejudice.

Now, think of this: homosexuality was illegal also until relatively recently and involves unnatural sexual acts as well, and it's illicit implied underground is the attempt to increase its prevalance in society via the stamp of legitimacy of "marriage"...thus appealing to our youth as "normal" and something to be aspired to.

Just a longer-reaching and better-veiled arm of inappropriate sexual contact of minors.

So when Mare lashes out at NAMBLA for their "nut-barism" I nearly have to bite the end of my tongue to keep from laughing at the irony..

I'm sorry but you seriously don't have a clue what you're talking about.

The Blue Laws were all repealed years & years ago. They were repealed because they were deemed as wrong.

Your pushing a theory as ridiculous as... Hey slavery used to be legal. So obviously those in agreement with interracial marriage are just out to try and hurt "somebody" by trying to set interracial marriage up as a norm.

Furthermore you're constant homophobic attempts to draw some connection between homosexuality and child sexual abuse is totally without merit. I've already posted report & study after report & study that clearly show no, zero, notta connection.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Poor homos, they are so obsessed and consumed with their demented thoughts of just "needing" to be naughty. It seems no one is there anymore to tell them that they are sick. The media et al only parrots that the queer should "give in" to their unnatural urges because that is who they are.

I find it interesting that drug addicts have now adopted the homosexual PR campaign i.e. "we're not demented, we just "need" the drugs to "medicate"...we don't have a "problem" with addiction, this is just who we are.

The important thing on a discussion site like this is to make a bunch of offensive and totally unsupported and unsupportable statements denigrating people you don't like or are afraid of, like Siho does. This kind of behavior makes you feel like a legend in your own mind.

 

[Sihouette]

You see...
You have to make me hateful/afraid/bigoted etc because without those names sticking to me, your position falls woefully short...


I'm just calling out the gay lifestyle and putting it under the microscope, which is where it should be when it prays to become part of the legitimized fabric of society.

I want to know all about gays, not to fear them, but to understand everything there is to understand about them....what makes them tick...how they got to be gay...what their underlying hopes and motivations are...

Call it fear if you like. Most people run from what they're afraid of. I'm sticking around and getting to know it. Does that scare you?

I'm still waiting to hear how NAMBLA members are only "11" strong, in spite of evidence presented and how their mindset of legitimizing another sexual deviance diverges radically from homosexuals mindset of "love" justifying deviant sexuality?

Still pretty silent from the gay crowd on those issues...

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

You see...
You have to make me hateful/afraid/bigoted etc because without those names sticking to me, your position falls woefully short...


I'm just calling out the gay lifestyle and putting it under the microscope, which is where it should be when it prays to become part of the legitimized fabric of society.

I want to know all about gays, not to fear them, but to understand everything there is to understand about them....what makes them tick...how they got to be gay...what their underlying hopes and motivations are...

Call it fear if you like. Most people run from what they're afraid of. I'm sticking around and getting to know it. Does that scare you?

I'm still waiting to hear how NAMBLA members are only "11" strong, in spite of evidence presented and how their mindset of legitimizing another sexual deviance diverges radically from homosexuals mindset of "love" justifying deviant sexuality?

Still pretty silent from the gay crowd on those issues...

You just keep changing your tack in an attempt to find something to stick your opinion into. You are the only one trying to justify child molesting or whatever on the basis of "love". It's idiotic, gay people want to have access to marriage for consenting adults. And your continual harping on a group of avowed pedophiles shows how little you have to go on. No one except you thinks I should be keeping tabs on them or thinks that I am "lashing out" at them.

Consenting adults is what this discussion is about for everyone but you. What happened to make you disingenuous about your education? What makes you so fearful and hateful? Are you nothing more than just a sad bigot whose only hobby is printing hate on the internet?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

The US is the world's largest producer of hard core pornography.

Girls who work in the industry cannot get hetero-porn work if they won't take it in the ass or, in other words, all hetero porn now inlcudes anal scenes.

And this is just response to demand.

So to all those homophobes who keep banging on about unnaturalness it looks like you have a much larger community to take on than just gays.

 

[fj1200]

The US is the world's largest producer of hard core pornography.

Girls who work in the industry cannot get hetero-porn work if they won't take it in the ass or, in other words, all hetero porn now inlcudes anal scenes.

And this is just response to demand.

So to all those homophobes who keep banging on about unnaturalness it looks like you have a much larger community to take on than just gays.

I'm forced to defer to your apparent "hard core pornography" expertise. Nonetheless, I have a problem whenever someone trys to sneak the "all" claim past me. Some how I kinda doubt the accuracy of the claim. That said, "taking it in the ass" is the hallmark of the queer existance. After all, they have so fewer options.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

I'm forced to defer to your apparent "hard core pornography" expertise. Nonetheless, I have a problem whenever someone trys to sneak the "all" claim past me. Some how I kinda doubt the accuracy of the claim. That said, "taking it in the ass" is the hallmark of the queer existance. After all, they have so fewer options.

I'm forced to defer to your apparent "gay sex" expertise. Could you please cite the source for your ' "taking it in the ass" is the hallmark of the queer existance.' or is this the voice of experience?

Funny how you didn't mention lesbians, "taking it in the ass" is hardly the "hallmark" of the gay female population any more than the heterosexual female population, is it?

 

[fj1200]

I'm forced to defer to your apparent "gay sex" expertise. Could you please cite the source for your ' "taking it in the ass" is the hallmark of the queer existance.' or is this the voice of experience?

Funny how you didn't mention lesbians, "taking it in the ass" is hardly the "hallmark" of the gay female population any more than the heterosexual female population, is it?

HAHAHAHAHAHA You angry hetrophobes are great. Trying to deflect and distract....anything...anything, but consider the possiblity that your homo predilictions are an emotional problem. You'll never do better as long as you blame others....

 

[Sihouette]

I still haven't heard the critical differences between the tweak of men lusting after boys vs men lusting after men or women lusting after women. The common thread of all of them is that none of these unions result in offspring: the biological purpose of sex..

Deviant sex is deviant sex. When you cross the line into one form being OK, how do we tell where to stop? I just want to hear a homosexual describe exactly where we are to stop and why. Mare draws the line at NAMBLA and I just want to understand, precisely, why that is? Particularly I'd like to understand how older men lusting after 18 year olds is vastly different from older men lusting after 12 year olds..minus the legal angle...from a moralistic angle.


After all, Mare referred to them as "nut-bars", not as "lawbreakers". Why is their lust for young boys "crazy", specifically. (We may agree on this issue but I want to understand in depth why Mare feels it is inherantly wrong?)

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

HAHAHAHAHAHA You angry hetrophobes are great. Trying to deflect and distract....anything...anything, but consider the possiblity that your homo predilictions are an emotional problem. You'll never do better as long as you blame others....

I note that you have come to the discussion with nothing of substance to contribute. Thanks for playing.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

I still haven't heard the critical differences between the tweak of men lusting after boys vs men lusting after men or women lusting after women. The common thread of all of them is that none of these unions result in offspring: the biological purpose of sex..

Deviant sex is deviant sex. When you cross the line into one form being OK, how do we tell where to stop? I just want to hear a homosexual describe exactly where we are to stop and why. Mare draws the line at NAMBLA and I just want to understand, precisely, why that is? Particularly I'd like to understand how older men lusting after 18 year olds is vastly different from older men lusting after 12 year olds..minus the legal angle...from a moralistic angle.

After all, Mare referred to them as "nut-bars", not as "lawbreakers". Why is their lust for young boys "crazy", specifically. (We may agree on this issue but I want to understand in depth why Mare feels it is inherantly wrong?)

I understand in greater "depth" why you failed to major in biology, and probably law as well. Consenting adults, Siho, consenting adults. You keep trying to make this a complex issue when it's not. Consenting adults should be treated equally under the law according to the US Constitution. Consenting adults, Siho, not cows, appliances, or children. Can you encompass the concept of "consenting adults"? I thought not, nor apparently can your sycophant "fj".

 

[Pidgey]

You have to wonder a little bit what the effects of all this stuff might have on the male population:

http://oncolink.com/resources/article.cfm?c=3&s=8&ss=23&Year=2008&Month=12&id=15852

http://www.worldandi.com/public/2001/October/sax.html

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

You have to wonder a little bit what the effects of all this stuff might have on the male population:

http://oncolink.com/resources/article.cfm?c=3&s=8&ss=23&Year=2008&Month=12&id=15852

http://www.worldandi.com/public/2001/October/sax.html

Interesting articles, thank you. In light of the second article and the question of males being "coarse" and not as refined as women, you would find Dr. Louanne Brizendine's book THE FEMALE BRAIN of interest because she follows what we know about the development of the female brain from conception through menopause. Of course she has to juxtapose the male and female brains to make comparisons visible so it's a fascinating work. It's based on her own lifetime of research and cites more than 1000 peer reviewed articles as sources.

Few people realize that almost all the fat-soluble chemicals behave like female hormones in the human body and cases of precocious puberty are increasing. We know that exposure to the smallest quantities of dioxin that we can measure, while in utero, will increase the natural rate of homosexual behaviors in rats once they achieve adulthood. Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCB's, an industrial cooling oil) have been implicated in the birth of mammals with mixed, indeterminate, or non-existent sex organs.

There are thousands of man-made chemicals that have never been studied for their impact on human development let alone their synergistic effect when mixed with other chemicals. While the figures are preliminary, it has been suggested that the kind of birth defect that I have may very well have been caused by chemical exposure in utero. The number of transsexuals seems to be increasing, but again it's hard to tell since the condition manifests itself in so many ways and varying degrees. It's additionally difficult to diagnose because of the social stigma that many people attach to it (see this thread for examples), and because there is no test for it yet that doesn't require the death of the person, except asking them what their gender is. There are brain-gender differences but without a brain autopsy these differences are not measurable yet.

 

[Pidgey]

Ya' know...

<scratches crotch>

...I've heard that ****ing "coarse" bull**** all my ****ing life and I just don't get where those ****ing ***holes get that ****. Poise? Refinement? Ma-****ing-turity? Who the **** needs that ****, anyway?

<picks nose>

All a real ****ing man needs is an itchier trigger finger and better aim that the son-of-a-***** that's schemin' to take his beer, barbecue and booty!

<flicks booger absentmindedly into audience>

Yep... beer, barbecue and booty... Why the **** would anyone want anything more than that? All that other ****'s just a waste of time. Men are ****ing simple because life's a whole ****ing lot simpler than folks make it out to be and it's our ma-****ing-turity that allows us to see this simple point.

"Feelings"?

Lemme' tell ya' about ****ing "feelings"...

"I feel like a beer!"

"I feel like some barbecue!"

"I feel like gettin' some booo-tay!"

'Nuff said.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

I am a straight guy happily married etc etc.

I have no problem with gay or transgender of bi people forming any relationship that rocks their boat provided all parties consent.

I wonder why Silhouette and co on this thread are so concerned about the subject.

It is difficult to think anything but the sad thought that they are actually gay themselves but can't come to terms with it and overcompensate with their bigoted rhetoric.

Guys, you aren't fooling anyone, especially fj1200 who claims not to know about the porn industry.

Isn't it one of the last few industries making money in the oh so pious state of Californicationia?

I have to go now, the stench of hypocrisy is overwhelming me.