Bullet to the head of the AGW hoax?

The fossil record, however, is there. Without macro evolution, how do you explain it? How do you explain the existence of homo erectus, Lucy, Neanderthal man?

I don't. There isn't enough evidence to make a rational explanation. That is the problem with the theory of macroevolution. It, like the big bang requires a leap of faith because there isn't enough evidence to make a rational explanation. Science stops being science as soon as it begins writing fiction in an effort to explain things that it presently doesn't have enough information to explain. There is no shame in saying "I don't know". There is a great deal of shame in fabricating an explanation and then finding learning information that makes your explanation less and less likely. We are seeing exactly that sort of result within the climate "science" community now and it is painful to watch.
 
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It seems like most issues palerider has looked into are open and shut.

It seems to reflect his outlook in general.

Shut.

Ad hominems on your part don't constitute a rational argument in defense of your postion on the issue. I have given you quite a bit of explanation and evidence to support my position. Thus far the only explanation you have given for yours is blind faith and after that it has been nothing more than impotent ad hominem attacks on me. I asked you upon what actual evidence you base your trust in AGW theory and what answer did you give?
 
I don't. There isn't enough evidence to make a rational explanation. That is the problem with the theory of macroevolution. It, like the big bang requires a leap of faith because there isn't enough evidence to make a rational explanation. Science stops being science as soon as it begins writing fiction in an effort to explain things that it presently doesn't have enough information to explain. There is no shame in saying "I don't know". There is a great deal of shame in fabricating an explanation and then finding learning information that makes your explanation less and less likely. We are seeing exactly that sort of result within the climate "science" community now and it is painful to watch.

I can buy a straightforward 'we don't know'.
 
I can buy a straightforward 'we don't know'.

In the case of climate "science" we do know though. The theory flies in the face of the second law of thermodynamics and hard evidence exists that proves that additional CO2 in the atmosphere does not result in less long wave radiation leaving the atmosphere. The fact that the same amount of long wave radiation is leaving the atmosphere in spite of increased atmospheric CO2 falsifies the theory.

Any adherence or acceptance of AGW theory at this point is purely political.
 
In the case of climate "science" we do know though.


Any of these resonate with you palerider? No. I'm "sure" they won't.


"A woman's guess is much more accurate than a man's certainty." ~ Rudyard Kipling

"Certainty? In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes." ~ Benjamin Franklin

"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies." ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

"Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one." ~ Voltaire

"He who is certain he knows the ending of things when he is only beginning them is either extremely wise or extremely foolish; no matter which is true, he is certainly an unhappy man, for he has put a knife in the heart of wonder." ~ Tad Williams

"I have lived in this world just long enough to look carefully the second time into things that I am the most certain of the first time." ~ Josh Billings

"I tore myself away from the safe comfort of certainties through my love for truth; and truth rewarded me." ~ Sylvia Ashton Warner

"In these matters the only certainty is that there is nothing certain." ~ Pliny The Elder

"Inquiry is fatal to certainty." ~ William J. Durant

"It is the dull man who is always sure, and the sure man who is always dull." ~ H. L. Mencken
 
In the case of climate "science" we do know though.


Or we could always go with...


“Arrogance diminishes wisdom” ~ Arabian Proverb

“The truest characters of ignorance are vanity, and pride and arrogance.” ~ Samuel Butler

“When men are most sure and arrogant they are commonly most mistaken, giving views to passion without that proper deliberation which alone can secure them from the grossest absurdities” ~ David Hume

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” ~ Bertrand Russell

“There is a difference between happiness and wisdom: he that thinks himself the happiest man is really so; but he that thinks himself the wisest is generally the greatest fool.” ~ Francis Bacon, Sr.

“Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.” ~ Confucius

“It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi
 
Any of these resonate with you palerider? No. I'm "sure" they won't.


"A woman's guess is much more accurate than a man's certainty." ~ Rudyard Kipling

"Certainty? In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes." ~ Benjamin Franklin

"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies." ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

"Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one." ~ Voltaire

"He who is certain he knows the ending of things when he is only beginning them is either extremely wise or extremely foolish; no matter which is true, he is certainly an unhappy man, for he has put a knife in the heart of wonder." ~ Tad Williams

"I have lived in this world just long enough to look carefully the second time into things that I am the most certain of the first time." ~ Josh Billings

"I tore myself away from the safe comfort of certainties through my love for truth; and truth rewarded me." ~ Sylvia Ashton Warner

"In these matters the only certainty is that there is nothing certain." ~ Pliny The Elder

"Inquiry is fatal to certainty." ~ William J. Durant

"It is the dull man who is always sure, and the sure man who is always dull." ~ H. L. Mencken

Cliche' is hardly a substitute for hard scientific evidence.
 
Or we could always go with...


“Arrogance diminishes wisdom” ~ Arabian Proverb

“The truest characters of ignorance are vanity, and pride and arrogance.” ~ Samuel Butler

“When men are most sure and arrogant they are commonly most mistaken, giving views to passion without that proper deliberation which alone can secure them from the grossest absurdities” ~ David Hume

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” ~ Bertrand Russell

“There is a difference between happiness and wisdom: he that thinks himself the happiest man is really so; but he that thinks himself the wisest is generally the greatest fool.” ~ Francis Bacon, Sr.

“Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.” ~ Confucius

“It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi

More cliche' in lieu of rational argument. Why am I not surprised? Got any more that might allow you to continue to ignore the facts in favor of your faith? I bet you have a million of them.
 
Impotent ad hominem in lieu of some evidence to support your claim. How unsurprising.And still no evidence is forthcoming and a suggestion that I go out and find evidence to support a claim that you can't find evidence to support. Again, unsurprising.Logical fallacy in lieu of evidence to support your claim. Once more. Unsurprising. (red herring and appeal to ridicule by the way)And still no evidence whatsoever to support your claim. And yet once again, completely unsurprising.You and your ilk are very predictable. Make claims you can't support, reply with all manner of excuses when challenged to support your claims and hurl ad hominems as if they represented actual argument. Let me know if you ever grow up enough to actually discuss the subject.
Even when I agree with you I still think your posts sound nasty and egomanical.

The theory of abiotic oil is interesting but the things I read say that we need to be able to drill deeper to access it.
 
The poster child for Alzheimer's Disease Ronald Reagan said that trees cause air pollution.

Even the "alzheimer" patient was more intelligent then you:


http://archives.chennaionline.com/science/Environment/environment24.asp

Environment


"Air pollution comes from trees," Ronald Reagan declared more than 20 years ago, soon after the start of his presidency. The remark earned him widespread derision as proof of his ignorance of environmental issues. Even his first press secretary, James Brady, teased him about it. Once when Air Force One was flying over a forest he grabbed the President by the elbow and, pointing down out of the window, said in alarm: "Look, Mr President: killer trees!"

But now new scientific research is showing that the former Hollywood B-movie star was at least partially right all along. For studies in both Britain and the United States have shown that some trees do indeed emit pollution and may even be killing forests downwind.

The news comes during the National Tree Week when the government and environmental groups are combining to extol the benefits of trees to the environment and health. Even more embarrassing, the British research, at Lancaster University, shows that the English oak, one of the symbols of nationhood, is among the worst offenders.

Others include the poplar, the red and sessile oaks and the crack, goat and white willows. The scientists say: "Most people assume that trees only benefit air quality. In fact, some tree species can have a negative effect and actually help to form pollutants in the atmosphere."

Research at the University of California at Berkeley, meanwhile, suggests that pollution from oak trees is destroying the pine forests of the Sierra Nevada Mountains. They have found that the oaks are producing between 40 per cent and 70 per cent of the ozone that is damaging and killing Jeffrey and ponderosa pines that are the dominant species in the forest.

And it's not only plant life that is at risk: Other Californian research, as exclusively reported in The Independent, shows that ozone can cause asthma.

The detective work that led to the incrimination of trees began after American cities found, to their surprise, that ozone levels failed to decline rapidly after the imposition of anti-pollution measures.

Ozone is formed by the effect of sunlight on nitrogen oxides and hydrocarbons, both emitted from car exhausts. It became clear that some trees like oak and poplar were producing huge amounts of a hydrocarbon called isoprene, which dominated in the formation of ozone.

Professor Russell Monson of the University of Colorado, who also made a special study of the issue, said: "The problem is that forests around many southern US cities have so many oaks, and isoprene is many times more reactive with the atmosphere than man-made hydrocarbons.

"This meant that, although monitoring programmes showed a significant decline in hydrocarbon emissions from automobiles, ozone did not go away."

The scientists point out, however, that trees are not the only culprits: isoprene can only form ozone when it combines with nitrogen oxides emitted from cars, industry and power stations. The Lancaster University research also shows that some trees help to clean the air of ozone and nitrogen dioxide.

The best are ash, silver birch, larch, Scots pine, common alder and field and Norway maples. Others - such as apple, holly, sycamore, hawthorn, hazel, lilac and the common elm - also clean the air but less well. The scientists add that cutting down the worst trees will not solve the problem and may even make things worse. For all trees help to cool the air, and rising temperatures cause more ozone to be formed.

What they do recommend is that care should be taken to plant trees that clean the air rather than those that exacerbate the problem.

All trees also help to absorb the carbon dioxide that causes global warming - though again the oak does so less effectively than other species because it grows so slowly - and all also absorb tiny particles emitted by car exhausts that kill thousands of Britons each year through heart disease and cancer. The Lancaster University scientists calculate that doubling the tree cover of the West Midlands, for example, would save 140 lives a year.
 
I'm not talking about scientific evidence.

I'm talking about you.

Of course you are, because by your own admission, you lack the knowledge to talk about the scientific evidence. Therefore, like any good acolyte, you talk about those who present evidence that your religion is false.
 
Even when I agree with you I still think your posts sound nasty and egomanical.

Pointing out obvious flaws in a person's arguments is nasty and egomanical? If you are stuck in logical fallacy, you need to be informed otherwise you might be stuck there for a lifetime, unaware. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. I am merely encouraging critical thinking which apparently has not been taught within our educational system for a very long time.

The theory of abiotic oil is interesting but the things I read say that we need to be able to drill deeper to access it.

I am not convinced that it is necessarily deeper so much as a different type of place. There are geological places where the mainstream oil companies don't look because they don't jibe with the accepted theory of biotic oil. Since abiotic oil does come from very deep though, it would be expected that the bulk would be deep. Personally I would trade deep and near infinite flow for shallow puddles.
 
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Of course you are, because by your own admission, you lack the knowledge to talk about the scientific evidence. Therefore, like any good acolyte, you talk about those who present evidence that your religion is false.

Said the man that called climate science a hoax.

Pot, the kettle called...
 
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