Bernie Sanders

Zanna said:
While Sanders is a very socially sensitive candidate, it's going to be very hard to get US citizens to see socialism as something other than sanctioned robbery or communism.
The fact that the social services rely on a distrusted goverment system doen't help in building a citizen-goverment trusting relationship.
This distaste toward socialism is partly to blame on the media and the information war that they waged against the viewers to enable the Reagan and Bush tax reforms.
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The younger voters have for the most part overcome that bit of ignorance, and support Sanders. Reagan began his career as a propagandist for the US military during WW2, and it served him well for all of his career. Bush was just a puppet operating under the "halo" of "St. Reagan".



Once Obama made a speech addressing class-war, a very real phenomenon in the US. The media jumped him so fervently that he was advised to never use that keyword again in his speeches.
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Oh c'mon now. You "know" that class warfare is the methodology of the left.
 
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Oh c'mon now. You "know" that class warfare is the methodology of the left.
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I don't blame them though. I even though it's an important and very real concept dislike the wording of that term as well, mainly because it's been used in too many superficial leftist arguments. I think that it promotes aggressiveness instead of productive movements. But the overall idea or striving for a harmonious and balanced life for the citizen where everyone is equal to the law is no laughing matter, despite what social stratifications may be in place.
 
Zanna said:
I don't blame them though. I even though it's an important and very real concept dislike the wording of that term as well, mainly because it's been used in too many superficial leftist arguments. I think that it promotes aggressiveness instead of productive movements. But the overall idea or striving for a harmonious and balanced life for the citizen where everyone is equal to the law is no laughing matter, despite what social stratifications may be in place.
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Do you honestly think the right wing has not used the term for their denial that there is a "war" on the middle class by the Oligarchs?
 
Old_Trapper70 said:
Do you honestly think the right wing has not used the term for their denial that there is a "war" on the middle class by the Oligarchs?
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I admit that kind of narrative never reached my ears, I didn't know the right openly tried to to convince people that this kind of "war" exists (I didn't think they'd have the nerve to do something like that). But you are quite right, the term is universal in politics, anyone can use it. I just came to hate the word itself for being used badly.
 
Honestly, I'm starting to like Bernie Sanders more and more but he doesn't have Hillary's name recognition, so I doubt he will win the party's nomination. However, he has done an excellent job with the state of Vermont from what I have seen and heard from friends of mine that live there. The press really does not give him the coverage he deserves though and because of it, it will ultimately cost him the nomination.
 
Lisa Davis said:
Honestly, I'm starting to like Bernie Sanders more and more but he doesn't have Hillary's name recognition, so I doubt he will win the party's nomination. However, he has done an excellent job with the state of Vermont from what I have seen and heard from friends of mine that live there. The press really does not give him the coverage he deserves though and because of it, it will ultimately cost him the nomination.
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The DNC is what will cost him the bid.
What he lacks in name HRC more than makes up for in horrible baggage. Thats why she hasnt sewn up the bid yet. And may not as she keeps trying to look past him.
 
Sanders is the only choice for President of The US as far as I see it. The middle class is disappearing, and we need too rebuild our infrastructure. Bernie Sanders is the only person addressing these fundamental issues. He's also the only candidate who genuinely is for the people, and his campaign proves it with how much money he's received as donations from average working class Americans, as opposed to lobbyists and corporations.

The other thing that I'd like to address about Sanders is that he is a Democratic Socialist, not a Socialist. These are two different things, and people just assume he's a Socialist while totally ignoring the Democratic part. Historically, Socialism is not a democratic process, and was often imposed upon citizens with violent force. Sanders makes it clear that he has nothing to do with the Socialists of yesteryear, and insists that Socialism in America should be chosen freely and fairly by the electorate.
 
Sanders us a socialist, he doesn't deny it.
All socialist regimes start as you describe then the leader decides he likes the power.
If you like the concept then great but no need to be blind to history.
 
Old_Trapper70 said:
Do you honestly think the right wing has not used the term for their denial that there is a "war" on the middle class by the Oligarchs?
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Lisa Davis said:
Honestly, I'm starting to like Bernie Sanders more and more but he doesn't have Hillary's name recognition, so I doubt he will win the party's nomination. However, he has done an excellent job with the state of Vermont from what I have seen and heard from friends of mine that live there. The press really does not give him the coverage he deserves though and because of it, it will ultimately cost him the nomination.
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So true how a person's name and image is always the deciding factor to most average voters. In my opinion, it's the number one reason of why our system is failing. That and the corrupt super delegate scheme which allows government officials to better control who gets elected to office.
 
Lagboltz said:
Kiss his butt at the foundation (ie. donations) so he will favorably view governmental legislation beneficial to them. As you saw in prior posts he has a habit of doing that sort of thing.
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He has not held office or worked in the government so he can't have.
HRC, on the other hand, has.
 
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