as of right now 2 dems have won in WI, 3 republicans..Dem leading last race

[pocketfullofshells]

Republicans held the Senate in Wisconsin...despite millions of union dollars pouring into their opponents races.

yea because the republicans where not funded huge?
and they took back 2, almost more...in republican areas...if lossing seats in areas you should and normaly have held..is a win...I hope they keep winning long enough to be out of power.

 

[Openmind]

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Just the two, we'll see if the dems can hold theirs.

Well, we did see:

The Dems held up their seats, with a large advantage:

"Democrats hold seats in Wisconsin recall elections"
Brendan O'Brien
Reuters

11:05 a.m. EDT, August 17, 2011

 

[ProudLefty]

What is significant in these elections is that Democrats needed to gain three seats to guarantee a majority in Wisconsin. They failed at that. They gained two seats, not 3. That is a victory, but not a big victory. Republicans can certainly claim they held off the onslaught. Their big money made a difference.

Point one: Examinations of the Republican races shows that in 5 of the 6 races Republicans, whether they won or lost, performed below the normal expectations for those districts. Republicans lost ground, serious ground, in 5 of the 6 districts.

Point two: the union-stripping bill was passed last winter by the Republicans in the Senate. It was not a unanimous vote however. One Republican Senator was quite vocal about his opposition to it and has made it clear that he is still against the legislation. Suddenly that third seat that Democrats needed to flip has... been flipped.

Conclusion: Republicans in Wisconsin, and everywhere else, got a cold water shower Tuesday. Kasich is already trying to revoke the union-stripping bill he passed in Ohio.

Tuesday was a badly needed win for Democrats, unions, and the middle class.

 

[Openmind]

What is significant in these elections is that Democrats needed to gain three seats to guarantee a majority in Wisconsin. They failed at that. They gained two seats, not 3. That is a victory, but not a big victory. Republicans can certainly claim they held off the onslaught. Their big money made a difference.

Point one: Examinations of the Republican races shows that in 5 of the 6 races Republicans, whether they won or lost, performed below the normal expectations for those districts. Republicans lost ground, serious ground, in 5 of the 6 districts.

Point two: the union-stripping bill was passed last winter by the Republicans in the Senate. It was not a unanimous vote however. One Republican Senator was quite vocal about his opposition to it and has made it clear that he is still against the legislation. Suddenly that third seat that Democrats needed to flip has... been flipped.

Conclusion: Republicans in Wisconsin, and everywhere else, got a cold water shower Tuesday. Kasich is already trying to revoke the union-stripping bill he passed in Ohio.

Tuesday was a badly needed win for Democrats, unions, and the middle class.

Yes, but have you noticed what little media coverage there has been on the Democrats keeping their seats?

In fact, even people in this forum who were so hopeful last Tuesday that the Dems would be recalled this week are "missing in action!"

 

[pocketfullofshells]

9 recalls...Dems gain 2 seats loose zero..and republicans cry victory...Lets hope for more victories like that!

 

[steveox]

Liberals,,, Youre gonna bankrupt wisconsin. BECK WARNED YALL If you continue support liberalsim were gonna end up like Greece

 

[BigRob]

yea because the republicans where not funded huge?
and they took back 2, almost more...in republican areas...if lossing seats in areas you should and normaly have held..is a win...I hope they keep winning long enough to be out of power.

You are the one who then turns around and points to D's keeping their seats in two D districts as a win...you cannot have it both ways.

 

[BigRob]

Yes, but have you noticed what little media coverage there has been on the Democrats keeping their seats?

In fact, even people in this forum who were so hopeful last Tuesday that the Dems would be recalled this week are "missing in action!"

I looked up the background of those two seats...BOTH have been D areas for well over a decade, and one of them was facing a Tea Party nut job as an opponent..(the other might have been as well, I just don't know)...big shock they held their seats.

 

[BigRob]

What is significant in these elections is that Democrats needed to gain three seats to guarantee a majority in Wisconsin. They failed at that. They gained two seats, not 3. That is a victory, but not a big victory. Republicans can certainly claim they held off the onslaught. Their big money made a difference.

Don't pretend that the Democrats were not equally as well funded.

Point one: Examinations of the Republican races shows that in 5 of the 6 races Republicans, whether they won or lost, performed below the normal expectations for those districts. Republicans lost ground, serious ground, in 5 of the 6 districts.

That is because recall elections never happen...so what is the normal expectation? A regular election year? Go figure that normal expectations were not met. That is just bad analysis.

Point two: the union-stripping bill was passed last winter by the Republicans in the Senate. It was not a unanimous vote however. One Republican Senator was quite vocal about his opposition to it and has made it clear that he is still against the legislation. Suddenly that third seat that Democrats needed to flip has... been flipped.

You are missing the entire point..if D's don't retake the majority, they cannot control what comes up for a vote...who cares at this point if an R goes along with them? Unless it is the President of the Senate, it is irrelevant.

Conclusion: Republicans in Wisconsin, and everywhere else, got a cold water shower Tuesday. Kasich is already trying to revoke the union-stripping bill he passed in Ohio.

The votes still don't exist to get such a bill to the floor most likely.

Tuesday was a badly needed win for Democrats, unions, and the middle class.

If spending millions for nothing is a win..then yes.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

You are the one who then turns around and points to D's keeping their seats in two D districts as a win...you cannot have it both ways.

the Democrats won all of there own seats, and took 2 from the Republicans...
thats not having it both ways...thats Dems lost zero seats, gain 2...republicans lose 2 seats and gain zero...

how anything sees that as a good for Republicans is beyond me, outside of the Dems did not win enough to take back the house..but they did win enough that if the same vote was held today they would have beat walkers push to strip union rights as 1 republican voted with them, and 1 other has stated they where not happy with it....

 

[Openmind]

Don't pretend that the Democrats were not equally as well funded.



That is because recall elections never happen...so what is the normal expectation? A regular election year? Go figure that normal expectations were not met. That is just bad analysis.



You are missing the entire point..if D's don't retake the majority, they cannot control what comes up for a vote...who cares at this point if an R goes along with them? Unless it is the President of the Senate, it is irrelevant.


The votes still don't exist to get such a bill to the floor most likely.



If spending millions for nothing is a win..then yes.

Funny! When GOP wins an election, or come close to winning, they point out how "its sends a message that the American people are tired of the Dems and want a change."

But, when the Wisconsin senate goes from 19 Republicans/ 14 Democrats, to 17 Republicans/ 16 Democrats. . .it doesn't mean a thing!!!

And, both sides have spent BIG money there. . .Obviously, the Dems money was better spent!

 

[BigRob]

Funny! When GOP wins an election, or come close to winning, they point out how "its sends a message that the American people are tired of the Dems and want a change."

But, when the Wisconsin senate goes from 19 Republicans/ 14 Democrats, to 17 Republicans/ 16 Democrats. . .it doesn't mean a thing!!!

Any party is going to claim the results were good for them, unless it was just some landslide....

That said, the GOP doesn't get all excited and proclaim victory unless they have retaken the majority...like in 2010..and like Dems did in 2008. All that the Wisconsin recall means is that the R's still control the State Senate..

And, both sides have spent BIG money there. . .Obviously, the Dems money was better spent!

Better spent for what? Control of the Senate? No. Power to say which bills come to the floor? No. Getting rid of Walker? No. Repealing the bill they didn't like? No.

Where was their success?

 

[BigRob]

the Democrats won all of there own seats, and took 2 from the Republicans...
thats not having it both ways...thats Dems lost zero seats, gain 2...republicans lose 2 seats and gain zero...

And one of those R seats was a 2010 pickup from a swing area, and the two D's that kept their seats are from heavily D areas who were facing some nut job as their opponent...how is this a victory? A well entrenched, well funded D beat off a Tea Party recall effort? It would be like Obama defeating Palin and declaring it was some hard fought campaign.

how anything sees that as a good for Republicans is beyond me, outside of the Dems did not win enough to take back the house..but they did win enough that if the same vote was held today they would have beat walkers push to strip union rights as 1 republican voted with them, and 1 other has stated they where not happy with it....

Great, you can claim you have the votes to repeal a bill that will never be brought up for repeal....what is the point?

 

[Openmind]

And one of those R seats was a 2010 pickup from a swing area, and the two D's that kept their seats are from heavily D areas who were facing some nut job as their opponent...how is this a victory? A well entrenched, well funded D beat off a Tea Party recall effort? It would be like Obama defeating Palin and declaring it was some hard fought campaign.



Great, you can claim you have the votes to repeal a bill that will never be brought up for repeal....what is the point?

The point seems to be that you don't have the mental fortitude to recognize a gain for anyone who is not within your sphere of ideology.

I am pretty certain that, if the Republicans had retained all their seats, and the Democrats had lost their three seats, you would have taken that as a HUGE victory for Walker's stupid policies!

I really thought you had more fairness and integrity in you.

The other point is that. . .we'll see what happens in 2012 in Wisconsin.

 

[Openmind]

I looked up the background of those two seats...BOTH have been D areas for well over a decade, and one of them was facing a Tea Party nut job as an opponent..(the other might have been as well, I just don't know)...big shock they held their seats.

Yes? So. . .that just means that the "tea party victory" of 2010 is over!
Not bad for a "loss!"