You destroy people's right to free religious expression.
Nonsense. I promote religious tolerance wherever possible. Refer to all the "Islam is Evil!" threads on this very website in order to see what I'm talking about.
You destroy the right to free speech.
Please tell me that this is another Don Imus thing. I wouldn't advocate using the force of government against people for their opinions - but I might encourage people not to listen. There's a big difference.
You've destroyed 40 million fetuses.
I've told you, I'm still undecided on abortion.
You periodically destroy the military by gutting it out.
Reducing or removing the scope of a standing army is something straight out of classical liberalism. The founding fathers probably wouldn't be too happy at the massive standing army our government maintains.
You've destroyed the schools.
On the contrary, it is conservatives who are constantly talking about cutting funding to schools. Education is a liberal priority, not a conservative one.
You've destroyed the nuclear family.
The nuclear family is destroying itself; we're just letting it die.
You've destroyed the proper role of the judicial system, and the rule of law.
The judicial system has always legislated from the bench. Marbury vs. Madison? Dred Scott?
What is the proper role of the judicial system? Making decisions you like?
You've destroyed american competitiveness in the world.
In what sense? We're still top dogs in terms of military and economics. If anything has destroyed our competitiveness, it is that the competitors can't compete. Except China.
You've destroyed the right of free expression and inquiry of all points of view in the universities, a freedom even medieval universities had.
I presently go to art school in southern New Hampshire, right near the border with Massachusetts. It's a pretty liberal area. One of my neighbors in the dorm uses Confederate flags for curtains. Nothing came of it.
And the idea of freedom of expression in the middle ages, when even talking about anything anti-Church could get you barbecued, is ridiculous. They may have had a cursory "freedom of expression," but only because it was well understood that no one there would express things far enough from the norm to bother the people in charge.
You are about to destroy the american medical system.
Once again, a matter of debate. I haven't made up my own mind on socialized medicine yet.
You destroy the constitutional right to keep arms.
Others who are liberals would. I would not.
You've destroyed the right to equal protection of the law in a thousand different ways.
Care to name a few that are important?
You destroy the cohesion of the country with the balkanization consequent to your illegal alien tsunami.
Our illegal alien tsunami? Excuse me, but who was in the Oval Office the last time amnesty was attempted?
You destroy property rights and a degree of american energy independence with all your ecofascist fads and prohibitions.
Environmentalists are trying to make sure there still is an America years down the road. Think long term.
You destroy everything you get your hands on, and you want to get your filthy hands on everything.
Calm down.
The reason it stays in the spolight is the PR efforts for it by the lib media. Homosexuals want it because they want to co-opt what has been for thousands of years a heterosexual institution, even in societies like ancient Rome which had no moral problem with homosexuality. The reason they want it is because they want to force people to accept them as normal. This is part of their "in your face" attitude that inspires so much hatred for them. The issue is more complicated in my personal attitude toward the issue, because I believe the state should not be involved in marriage - rather it should be a religious or cultural event as different individuals define it. But I still know what homosexuals' reason for "gay marriage" is.
I believe the bolded statement as well. Good luck convincing people of it though.
Oh, gee, lemmee list a few highlights:
- pro black racial discrimination in university admissions
Only as a response to the overwhelming difficulties faced by most African American students in attempting to get into universities today and the historical intolerance of institutions of higher learning towards African Americans. It balances out.
- pro black racial discrimination in professional schools
I don't know anything about this personally - care to elaborate? Perhaps with some evidence to back it up?
- pro black racial discrimination in scholarships, fellowships,and internships
Scholarships are handed out to specific groups of people all the time. There are even scholarships out there that are whites-only. Maybe there aren't as many as there are blacks-only scholarships. Deal with it.
- pro black racial discrimination in corporate hiring, promotion, pay, and layoff order
Let's see...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege#Employment_and_economics
A quote:
What he found was that the white graduates were more often employed in skilled trades, earned more, held higher status positions, received more promotions and experienced shorter periods of unemployment. Since all factors of these graduates education and skills were strikingly similar, the differences in employment experiences could only be attributed to race. Royster concluded that the primary cause of these racial differences was due to social networking. The concept of “who you know” seemed just as important to these graduates as “what you know.”
Seems the discrimination isn't exactly going the way you thought.
- pro black racial discrimination in government contract awards
Once again, don't know anything about this personally, care to elaborate?
- pro black racial discrimination in police and fire fighter employment
I know of a few laws and decrees (the Castro-Beecher Consent Decree here in MA, for instance) which require municipalities to hire equal numbers of white and black police officers, is that what you're talking about? If not, post a link to what you are talking about.
- pro black racial discrimination in the military
Race and the military is a touchy subject. I have heard of some instances where affirmative action in the military got out of hand, but for the most part promoting racial equality throughout the military is still a sound idea.
- pro black racial discrimination in corporate franchises
In what way?
- gerrymandered congressional districts to assure black congressional members
Evidence?
- Pervasive PC pro black portrayals in movies, TV, print ads, and TV ads
Pervasive? Hardly. White people are still seen in a positive light in all of those things far more often than black people.
Anyway, even if it was pervasive, why would it bother you? Why would it matter to you at all?
- pro black racial discrimination in union apprenticeships
Another one I'm not familiar with.
- Renewal of the voting rights act 41 years after it was passed, for 30 years, when all vestiges of systematic voting discrimination had disappeared, just for the continuing symbolic value, and the now-robotic reflex of approving anything "pro-black"
Do you disapprove of what the Voting Rights Act symbolizes, or do you just find symbolism useless?
That is an issue I haven't resolved, so don't argue with me about it - I don't have a position. One thing I read on this issue that is interesting is that of the thousands of kosovo women who were raped by the hated serbs and got pregnant, half chose to bring their pregnancies to term, even though abortion procedures are readily available. I forget the source, it wasn't a pro-life group, and if you don't believe it, I don't care.
You really need to calm down. I don't intend to "argue" with you about abortion, I haven't exactly made up my mind on it either. Don't assume I'm always going to jump down your throat. I would like to reconcile our views as much as possible - that's one of the reasons I came here in the first place.
Actually, our involvement began with Truman who sent the Military Assistance Advisory Group - eisenhower continued this. Kennedy's over 16,000 "advisers" were the first to take part in actual combat operations.
One way or the other it wasn't until Kennedy that Americans started actually fighting.
Did I say that? I don't remember saying that.
I was asking you if you believed it.
Talking about angry finger pointing is usually an attempt to escape blame, blur history, and set the groundwork for repeating the same mistakes.
Or, it's simply an attempt to cool the discussion down a little so that we can converse in a civilized manner.
