Anti-Theism in America

[Andy]

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Lemme guess.....you were no History Major, right? Maybe you were home-schooled??

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So atheist murder is ok because of something the Vatican did?

Leftist are the most scummy hypocrites I've ever met.

 

[AtheismIsReality]

Again.....

You would claim this is ok because of something you read in a book?

No. I believe murder is murder.

Let's just stop pretending theism curbs it.

 

[dahermit]

No. I believe murder is murder.

Let's just stop pretending theism curbs it.

Correct. Most of the German soldiers who carried out the murders in WWII were catholic; the majority religion in Germany at that time.

 

[Dr.Who]

No. I believe murder is murder.

Let's just stop pretending theism curbs it.

The preponderance of evidence is that Christianity curbs violence though not completely as all people retain free will and a heart that continues to commit evil.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/war_and_religion.html#c9z6o93dobbx
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/atheism_or_christianity.html
http://206.135.15.32/answers/aamerica.html
http://crossandquill.com/journey/?page_id=267
http://creation.com/what-good-is-christianity
http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1100-the-benevolent-influence-of-christianity
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/934.htm
http://www.skepticalchristian.com/evilchristianity.htm
http://www.amazon.com/review/R3OZ373NKR1R8Z
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2005...istianity-changed-the-world-by-alvin-schmidt/
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/schaefer/docs/questions.html
http://chestofbooks.com/society/law...e-Of-Christianity-Upon-The-Development-O.html

 

[AtheismIsReality]

The preponderance of evidence is that Christianity curbs violence though not completely as all people retain free will and a heart that continues to commit evil.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/war_and_religion.html#c9z6o93dobbx
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/atheism_or_christianity.html
http://206.135.15.32/answers/aamerica.html
http://crossandquill.com/journey/?page_id=267
http://creation.com/what-good-is-christianity
http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1100-the-benevolent-influence-of-christianity
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/934.htm
http://www.skepticalchristian.com/evilchristianity.htm
http://www.amazon.com/review/R3OZ373NKR1R8Z
http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2005...istianity-changed-the-world-by-alvin-schmidt/
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/schaefer/docs/questions.html
http://chestofbooks.com/society/law...e-Of-Christianity-Upon-The-Development-O.html

The preponderance of evidence shows than any culture that develops moral tenets, such as the golden rule, is probably not going to commit genocide on a whim. Besides the Jewish culture, such thoughts occurred in Greek, Chinese, and Indian culture, to name a few.

We went 3000 years without Christianity. If the Christ were followed to the letter, a lot more people would be nailed into crosses rather than dropping bombs on others in the name of the Lord and Liberty.

 

[Dr.Who]

The preponderance of evidence shows than any culture that develops moral tenets, such as the golden rule, is probably not going to commit genocide on a whim. Besides the Jewish culture, such thoughts occurred in Greek, Chinese, and Indian culture, to name a few.

Then you agree that Christianity which does have those tenets you name curbs violence.

We went 3000 years without Christianity. If the Christ were followed to the letter, a lot more people would be nailed into crosses rather than dropping bombs on others in the name of the Lord and Liberty.

Yes people could do better in following those tenets than they have. They have still done better at following those tenets and having their violent tendencies curbed than the atheists have. It is the atheist oriented government regines that have accounted for the majority of deaths worldwide over all of history. The Islamists come in second being involved in 50% of all wars even though it is a newcomer on the scene of world history. Christiany has only been involved in about 7% of wars and then many of them were in defense of others. The few wars that were not defensive in some way were fought by Christians not following their beliefs. The number of non-defensive wars instigated by Christianity and consistent with Christian beliefs amounts to somewhere slightly above zero percent.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So atheist murder is ok because of something the Vatican did?

Don't start tap-dancin', NOW, Skippy!!!!

You referred to "....the millions of people murdered by socialists who don't believe in G-d."

The Nazis were socialists, who didn't believe in God, huh?



Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....you've been in them, there, MOVING-PICTURES, AIN'T ya', Skippy??!!!!!

 

[AtheismIsReality]

Then you agree that Christianity which does have those tenets you name curbs violence.



Yes people could do better in following those tenets than they have. They have still done better at following those tenets and having their violent tendencies curbed than the atheists have. It is the atheist oriented government regines that have accounted for the majority of deaths worldwide over all of history. The Islamists come in second being involved in 50% of all wars even though it is a newcomer on the scene of world history. Christiany has only been involved in about 7% of wars and then many of them were in defense of others. The few wars that were not defensive in some way were fought by Christians not following their beliefs. The number of non-defensive wars instigated by Christianity and consistent with Christian beliefs amounts to somewhere slightly above zero percent.

Where is war even supported in Christian thought? It isn't. The idea of "just war" comes from Roman philosophy.

In the end what created Stalin was the belief that there are no absolute right and wrong. America, "The Christian Nation", will support the most heinous of people. It was only slightly hypocritical to feign outrage over Saddam gassing his own people as he did it when he was our buddy.

America time and again will sell out any Christian belief to expand its material interests. We have exploited others in ways we would never accept being done to us. People say that's okay, because well we are the good guys. I will tell you this - indirect act of immorality are no more excused than direct acts. We either have absolute standards or we don't. If we don't, then spare us the indictment by way of Stalin because, after all, he was just doing what he had to do to provide the outcome he saw as best.

 

[top gun]

I've been reading this thread in wild eyed amazement at some of the misdirection some will use to cover the tracks of religious warfare.

We see this in big bold print today in the Theism of the Taliban.

The truth is so obvious it is not even an argument.

Since the beginning days of all the various religions more people have been killed ignorantly fighting each other for the sake of "their" religious superiority than probably for any other reason.

Not even a debate...

 

[Dr.Who]

Where is war even supported in Christian thought? It isn't. The idea of "just war" comes from Roman philosophy.

You asked where in Christian thought:


Whether from Rome originally or not Thomas Aquinas made it a common theme in Christian thought.

Before that Christianity flowed directly from the Jewish scriptures which condones war in the right circumstances.

 

[Dr.Who]

Since the beginning days of all the various religions more people have been killed ignorantly fighting each other for the sake of "their" religious superiority than probably for any other reason.

Not even a debate...

It is debatable but the evidence would clearly indicate that religious reasons are less common than political ones by a landslide.

 

[top gun]

It is debatable but the evidence would clearly indicate that religious reasons are less common than political ones by a landslide.

Well we could go all the way back to the Crusades... and count every religion based conflict from there on all the way to the current Israeli/Palestinian conflict through the Protestant/Catholic killings in Ireland, all the religion based killings in India & Asia, and on to radical Islam and the Taliban and every other religious based conflict in between and count the dead people... it would be a whole lot. It's a long time world problem of "My God is real and yours is not".

And sure the sides line up politically and militarily to fight one another. That's simply the nature of battle. The bottom line is it's all BS... pure 100% BS. And people die year after year century after century fighting about it.

And until science definitively proves how the earth began or a God comes down to earth and tells everyone "You're all full of sh1t... none of you represent me!" it probably will continue.

 

[dahermit]

It is debatable but the evidence would clearly indicate that religious reasons are less common than political ones by a landslide.

It is a moot point. There have been so many killings by religious persons who's religious dogma states that it requires/encourages peace and tolerance that only some mindless dip**** would still think that religion is a "pacifying" influence. It has never worked; It does not work. The average German soldier was a practicing Catholic, but that did not stop the Jewish, Gypsy, Russian, Homosexual, Polish, Jehovah Witness, dissident, or anyone who got in the way, purge.

 

[samsara15]

What bothers me is that the average German soldier was an average human being by almost any standards. That says to me that any and almost all of us can be turned into servants of a state as malign as that of Nazi Germany, simply by social pressure.

 

[Andy]

Don't start tap-dancin', NOW, Skippy!!!!

You referred to "....the millions of people murdered by socialists who don't believe in G-d."

The Nazis were socialists, who didn't believe in God, huh?



Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....you've been in them, there, MOVING-PICTURES, AIN'T ya', Skippy??!!!!!​

If you read a few more books, and vegetated in front of Youtube a bit less, you might be less ignorant.

Try
The Occult Roots of Nazism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Occult_Roots_of_Nazism

Further, even in concept, he routinely referred to Christ, yet believed in extermination of the Jews. Christ was a Jew though, and advocated the saving of Jews. Seems a contradiction, until you realize that Hitler himself was a master of propaganda. He had to used religious terms to sway the masses, regardless of individual religious views.

Religion is routinely used by leaders to sway people. Obama is a master at that.

Finally, the Nazis had a distinct atheistic belief system. For example, they believed in a superior race, which is based on atheistic evolutionary thinking. There is no god, thus we are not created in his image. Instead we are really just all animals in a natural selection struggle, and killing another human, is no more or less important than killing an ant or grasshopper. Further, killing off the weaker of the species will help the gene pool and improve us evolutionarily speaking.

This is why nazis had no problem using old, retarded and disabled people as test subjects, as well as those races considered weak. After all, they are just animals like any other. You shoot a rabid dog, you shoot a disabled man. No difference. Very atheistic.