Another theory that must be rejected by conservatives

The speed of light is not in fact constant...as you can slow the speed of light down, we have, to something like 38 miles per hour....with extrem cold temps near zero kalvin.

Only if it is traveling through a mdeium that impedes its movement. Snell's law is well known. The notion that the speed of light is constant has to do with the speed of light in a vacuum, not its speed traveling through a medium, like a lense or an Einstein-bose condensate.
 
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From the sources I have mentioned, the last one, authored by jao maguiejo, is perhaps the easiest to understand. He says:

6.3 Threshold and gamma-ray anomalies and other experimental
tests
Besides its motivation as a phenomenological description of quantum gravity, non-linear relativity
has gained respectability as a possible solution to the puzzle of threshold anomalies[59,
60] (see also [69, 56, 57, 58, 157, 158, 159, 64] for other experimental implications).
Ultra high energy cosmic rays (UHECRs) are rare showers derived from a primary cosmic
ray, probably a proton, with energy above 1011 Gev. At these energies there are no known
cosmic ray sources within our own galaxy, so it’s expected that in their travels, the extragalactic
UHECRs interact with the cosmic microwave background (CMB). These interactions
should impose a hard cut-off above Eth0 ≈ 1011 Gev, the energy at which it becomes kinematically
possible to produce a pion. This is the so-called Greisen-Zatsepin-Kuzmin (GZK)
cut-off; however UHECRs have been observed beyond the threshold [161, 162] (see Fig. 6.3).
A similar threshold anomaly results from the observation of high energy gamma rays above
10 Tev [163], but in this case it’s far less obvious that there is indeed an observational crisis....

8 The observational status of VSL
In the middle of the current observational revolution in cosmology, it’s easy to forget that
some nasty surprises have also fallen from the sky. Examples include claims for cosmic
acceleration [1, 2, 3, 4], or the mounting evidence [19, 18] for a redshift dependence in the
fine structure constant α
. Cosmologists can no longer, as in Dirac’s quote opening this paper,
make “any assumptions that they fancy”; instead it appears that they must grapple with the
issue of selecting which observations to take seriously. Most of what passes for observation
in cosmology is plagued by systematic errors. Some of these “facts” could evaporate like fog
should a new technological revolution come on line unexpectedly.
It is nonetheless interesting that several observational puzzles can be solved by VSL.With
appropriate supplementary observations, the redshift dependence in α could be seen as the
result of a varying c. Another puzzle, already studied in Section 6.3, was the observation
of rare very high energy cosmic rays, in conflict with standard kinematic calculations based
on special relativity, which predict a cut-off well below the observed energies. This could
represent the first experimental mishap of special relativity, and evidence for some VSL
theories. Finally, even the accelerating universe may be part of a varying c picture of the
world.
How can this meager evidence be extended? Unfortunately there are two obstacles to
the observation of a varying speed of light. The first relates to the discussion in Section 2
and affects those aspects of VSL which are not dimensionless. It is easy to place oneself
in a no-win situation (e.g. by defining units in which c is a constant), but as explained in
Section 2 the impasse may be solved by testing the dynamics of the theory. The issue of
testability is more direct regarding the dimensionless aspects of a varying c.
More seriously, however, all tests of a varying c face a second hurdle: the effects predicted
are invariably either well beyond the reach of current technology, or at best on the threshold.
In what follows we describe a number of observations which would either provide positive
detection of VSL effects, or imply constraints upon the parameters of the theory. We also
stick the neck out, venturing a number of predictions of the theory.

Tell me, does the above paper indicate whether the author is conservative or liberal????

Does it matter? The problem could well be solved by the experiment that will be taken to the ISS by the last space shuttle. It may well revolutionize our thinking on this matter. Or it may well show that we have been right all along. Stay tuned.
 
"Couldn't one just as easily choose another reference frame that would yield an entirely different result? After all, length and time are...well....relative."

Other have tried difference reference frames with invariably the same result. And that's the point. The speed of light is the same regard less of the reference frame. It only varies with the medium it is traveling through.
 
Just curious. Which "facts" lead you to accept the theory of macroevolution or the hypothesis (it hasn't achieved the status of theory) of global warming. I am always interested in facts and just as interested in what many people percieve and accept as fact.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

What evidence do you need to be convinced that the Earth is undergoing anthropomorphic warming? What do you thnk happens when we pump 6 billion tons of greenhouse gases per year into the atmosphere?
 
Fundamental physics constants stay put

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6057-fundamental-physics-constants-stay-put.html

Controversy over whether the fundamental constants of nature change with time has reignited. A new study is casting doubt on an earlier claim that a key constant varied as the Universe evolved.

The study looks at alpha, the fine-structure constant. Alpha is crucial to the debate because it dictates the strength of the interaction between an electron and a photon, and governs a host of physical processes, from how the Sun burns to the "inflation" of the Universe immediately after the big bang. A changing alpha has implications for the constancy of the speed of light, and would revolutionise traditional physics.

So it was headline news in 2001 when astronomer John Webb of the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia, reported that alpha's value - based on observations of how gas clouds absorbed light from quasars - was different 12 billion years ago from what it is today (New Scientist, print edition, 18 August 2001). If Webb is correct, alpha may still be changing by as much as 1 part in 1014 per year, assuming a linear rate of change.

Now Theodor Hänsch at the Max Planck Institute for Quantum Optics in Garching, Germany, and his colleagues have ruled out any such change to within 1 part in 1015.

Energy level
From 1999 to 2003, they compared the effect of alpha on the emission of photons from caesium and hydrogen atoms. The photons are emitted when electrons in these atoms move from one energy level to another. Any variation in alpha over time should show up in such a comparison. "We found no evidence of any change," Hänsch says (Physical Review Letters, vol 92, p 230802).

This result negates at least one theory that assumes a linear rate of change in alpha over 12 billion years. Most theorists believe a linear change is unlikely. Joao Magueijo of Imperial College London says that any variation in alpha would have been dramatic when the Universe was expanding rapidly, but its rate of change would now have slowed to only 1 part in 1018.

Hänsch admits that changes smaller than they can measure may be occurring, and the precision required to measure this kind of change will be available within the next few years.

Meanwhile, Webb's original observations have also been questioned by French and Indian astronomers who have been unable to see any change in alpha in their survey of quasars (Physical Review Letters, vol 92, p 121302).

"That is much more worrying," Magueijo says. Webb is now analysing a new set of quasar data and hopes to settle the question later in 2004.
 
http://www.economist.com/node/16930866?story_id=16930866

RICHARD FEYNMAN, Nobel laureate and physicist extraordinaire, called it a “magic number” and its value “one of the greatest damn mysteries of physics”. The number he was referring to, which goes by the symbol alpha and the rather more long-winded name of the fine-structure constant, is magic indeed. If it were a mere 4% bigger or smaller than it is, stars would not be able to sustain the nuclear reactions that synthesise carbon and oxygen. One consequence would be that squishy, carbon-based life would not exist.

Why alpha takes on the precise value it has, so delicately fine-tuned for life, is a deep scientific mystery. A new piece of astrophysical research may, however, have uncovered a crucial piece of the puzzle. In a paper just submitted to Physical Review Letters, a team led by John Webb and Julian King from the University of New South Wales in Australia present evidence that the fine-structure constant may not actually be constant after all. Rather, it seems to vary from place to place within the universe. If their results hold up to the scrutiny, and can be replicated, they will have profound implications—for they suggest that the universe stretches far beyond what telescopes can observe, and that the laws of physics vary within it. Instead of the whole universe being fine-tuned for life, then, humanity finds itself in a corner of space where, Goldilocks-like, the values of the fundamental constants happen to be just right for it.

Slightly belying its name, the fine-structure constant is actually a compound of several other physical constants, whose values can be found in any physics textbook. You start with the square of an electron’s charge, divide it by the speed of light and Planck’s constant, then multiply the whole lot by two pi. The point of this convoluted procedure is that this combination of multiplication and division produces a pure, dimensionless number. The units in which the original measurements were made cancel each other out and the result is 1/137.036, regardless of the measuring system you used in the first place.

Despite its convoluted origin, though, alpha has a real meaning. It characterises the strength of the force between electrically charged particles. As such, it governs—among other things—the energy levels of an atom formed from negatively charged electrons and a positive nucleus. When electrons jump between these energy levels, they absorb and emit light of particular frequencies. These frequencies show up as lines (dark for absorption; bright for emission) in a spectrum. When many different energy levels are involved, as they are in the spectrum of a chemically mixed star, the result is a fine, comb-like structure—hence the constant’s name. If it were to take on a different value, the wavelengths of these lines would change. And that is what Dr Webb and Mr King think they have found.

The light in question comes not from individual stars but from quasars. These are extremely luminous (and distant) galaxies whose energy output is powered by massive black holes at their centres. As light from a quasar travels through space, it passes through clouds of gas that imprint absorption lines onto its spectrum. By measuring the wavelengths of a large collection of these absorption lines and subtracting the effects of the expansion of the universe, the team led by Dr Webb and Mr King was able to measure the value of alpha in places billions of light-years away.

Dr Webb first conducted such a study almost a decade ago, using 76 quasars observed with the Keck telescope in Hawaii. He found that, the farther out he looked, the smaller alpha seemed to be. In astronomy, of course, looking farther away means looking further back in time. The data therefore indicated that alpha was around 0.0006% smaller 9 billion years ago than it is now. That may sound trivial. But any detectable deviation from zero would mean that the laws of physics were different there (and then) from those that pertain in the neighbourhood of the Earth.

Such an important result needed independent verification using a different telescope, so in 2004 another group of researchers looked from the European Southern Observatory’s Very Large Telescope (VLT) in Chile. They found no evidence for any variation of alpha. Since then, though, flaws have been discovered in that second analysis, so Dr Webb and his team set out to do their own crosscheck with a sample of 60 quasars observed by the VLT.

What they found shocked them. The further back they looked with the VLT, the larger alpha seemed to be—in seeming contradiction to the result they had obtained with the Keck. They realised, however, that there was a crucial difference between the two telescopes: because they are in different hemispheres, they are pointing in opposite directions. Alpha, therefore, is not changing with time; it is varying through space. When they analysed the data from both telescopes in this way, they found a great arc across the sky. Along this arc, the value of alpha changes smoothly, being smaller in one direction and larger in the other. The researchers calculate that there is less than a 1% chance such an effect could arise at random. Furthermore, six of the quasars were observed with both telescopes, allowing them to get an additional handle on their errors.

If the fine-structure constant really does vary through space, it may provide a way of studying the elusive “higher dimensions” that many theories of reality predict, but which are beyond the reach of particle accelerators on Earth. In these theories, the constants observed in the three-dimensional world are reflections of what happens in higher dimensions. It is natural in these theories for such constants to change their values as the universe expands and evolves.

Unfortunately, their method does not allow the team to tell which of the constants that goes into alpha might be changing. But it suggests that at least one of them is. On the other hand, the small value of the change over a distance of 18 billion light-years suggests the whole universe is vastly bigger than had previously been suspected. A diameter of 18 billion light-years (9 billion in each direction) is a considerable percentage of observable reality. The universe being 13.7 billion years old, 13.7 billion light-years—duly stretched to allow for the expansion of the universe—is the maximum distance it is possible to see in any direction. If the variation Dr Webb and Mr King have found is real, and as gradual as their data suggest, you would have to go a very long way indeed to come to a bit of space where the fine-structure constant was more than 4% different from its value on Earth.

If. Other teams of astronomers are already on the case, and Victor Flambaum, one of Dr Webb’s colleagues at the University of New South Wales, points out in a companion paper that laboratory tests involving atomic clocks only slightly better than those that exist already could provide an independent check. These would vary as the solar system moves through the universe. But if and when such confirmation comes, it will break one of physics’s greatest taboos, the assumption that physical laws are the same everywhere and everywhen. And the fine-structure constant will have shown itself to be more mysterious than even Feynman conceived.
 
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What evidence do you need to be convinced that the Earth is undergoing anthropomorphic warming? What do you thnk happens when we pump 6 billion tons of greenhouse gases per year into the atmosphere?

I would like to see some hard, observed evidence that establishes an unequivocal link between the activites of man, and the changing climate.

As to pumping 6 billion tons of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, on must consider not the amount being pumped into the atmosphere but the relative percentage of the gasses in the atmosphere that we put there. When looked at as a percentage of the total, our contributions are a fraction of one percent. A fraction so small, in fact, that it is not even enough to overcome the natural deviation, from year to year, in the earth's own CO2 making machinery.

The next thing to consider is whether CO2 is a greenhouse gas at all. In order for it to be a greenhouse gas as described by the IPCC et.al., it would need to have the capacity to actually trap heat. Can you describe the mechanism by which a gas (other than water vapor) can absorb and retain heat. I would be very interested in learing of such a mechanism.

After you describe that, I would be interested in learning how any radiation absorbed and retained by a gas can make the earth warmer than it would have been otherwise. Such a mechanism suggests a surplus of energy and that is the key to perpetual motion and I, for one, would be damned interested in learning about a means to achieve perpetual motion.
 
As to pumping 6 billion tons of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, one must consider not the amount being pumped into the atmosphere but the relative percentage of the gasses in the atmosphere that we put there. When looked at as a percentage of the total, our contributions are a fraction of one percent. A fraction so small, in fact, that it is not even enough to overcome the natural deviation, from year to year, in the earth's own CO2 making machinery.

That is something DF liberals everywhere do not know. They ASSUME that man is pumping so much C02 into the atmosphere that it must be causing global warming. They are so easily fooled by their corrupt money grubbing power hungry Marxist leaders.

A "...fraction of one percent..." is going to cause the polar ice caps to melt, kill all the polar bears - boohoo, raise sea levels drowning all coastal areas, cause worldwide famines, etc....

They are truly incapable of reason...the Age Of Ignorance (liberalism) rages on.......
 
I would like to see some hard, observed evidence that establishes an unequivocal link between the activites of man, and the changing climate.

Science is rarly unequivocal, regardless of the phenomenon studied. We have no unequivocal evidence that the sun will die in 5 billion years. Yet the consensus of the vast majority of the world's scientists agree that it will based on available data. You want a result that is not possible no matter how much evidence we collect. That said, the evidence has convinced the majority ot eh world's scientist that global warming is occurring and that it has a very significant human component. You can't ignore this just because you want something that in all likelihood is not possible.

As to pumping 6 billion tons of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, on must consider not the amount being pumped into the atmosphere but the relative percentage of the gasses in the atmosphere that we put there. When looked at as a percentage of the total, our contributions are a fraction of one percent. A fraction so small, in fact, that it is not even enough to overcome the natural deviation, from year to year, in the earth's own CO2 making machinery.

As the amount being pumed into the atmosphere has a direct effect on the percentage of CO2 in our atmosphere, it is more than relevant. As for the percentages, all CO2 in the atmosphere is a fraction of one percent, and yet it has a significant effect on the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere. Measurements of pre-industrial atmospheric conditions indicate that prior to the industrial revolution, the average concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere was 280 ppm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas), whereas, the current level is 388 ppm, an increase globally of 108 ppm. So the amount has increase by over 38% in just 260 years. This an increase that is unprecedented in the last 200,000 years.

The next thing to consider is whether CO2 is a greenhouse gas at all.

What's to consider? It is a well established fact of chemistry.

In order for it to be a greenhouse gas as described by the IPCC et.al., it would need to have the capacity to actually trap heat. Can you describe the mechanism by which a gas (other than water vapor) can absorb and retain heat. I would be very interested in learing of such a mechanism.

http://www.ucar.edu/learn/1_3_1.htm

After you describe that, I would be interested in learning how any radiation absorbed and retained by a gas can make the earth warmer than it would have been otherwise. Such a mechanism suggests a surplus of energy and that is the key to perpetual motion and I, for one, would be damned interested in learning about a means to achieve perpetual motion.

Seriously? Ok. Build a greenhouse. Set up a thermometer inside. Close all the doors and windows so that the air is trapped inside. Measure the maximum rise in temperature due to heat absorption by the air and surrounding structure. This is your baseline reading for experimental purposes. Now add 108 ppm of CO2 into your greenhouse (the amount of CO2that Man has added to the atmosphere since 1750). And then measure the rise in temperature. The difference between the baseline temperature and the temperature result after adding CO2 is the the amount of heat energy which is absorbed by the CO2 and added to the system. This is a very simple experiment than anyone can conduct, and in fact has been conducted for decades with very reliable results.
 
That is something DF liberals everywhere do not know. They ASSUME that man is pumping so much C02 into the atmosphere that it must be causing global warming. They are so easily fooled by their corrupt money grubbing power hungry Marxist leaders.

A "...fraction of one percent..." is going to cause the polar ice caps to melt, kill all the polar bears - boohoo, raise sea levels drowning all coastal areas, cause worldwide famines, etc....

They are truly incapable of reason...the Age Of Ignorance (liberalism) rages on.......

Yeah, yeah, it's all a big friggin conspiracy. :(
 
Seriously? Ok. Build a greenhouse. Set up a thermometer inside. Close all the doors and windows so that the air is trapped inside. Measure the maximum rise in temperature due to heat absorption by the air and surrounding structure. This is your baseline reading for experimental purposes. Now add 108 ppm of CO2 into your greenhouse (the amount of CO2that Man has added to the atmosphere since 1750). And then measure the rise in temperature. The difference between the baseline temperature and the temperature result after adding CO2 is the the amount of heat energy which is absorbed by the CO2 and added to the system. This is a very simple experiment than anyone can conduct, and in fact has been conducted for decades with very reliable results.

Are you seriously trying to counter irrationality with empirical evidence? You know that is futile. Once minds are made up, facts can not change them.

To be a good conservative, you just must believe that global warming is a myth, that man poofed into existence some six thousand years ago, right along with the dinosaurs who must have perished in the great flood, and that Einstein was mistaken in his theory of relativity. Science must bow to politics, or you have to turn in your conservative card and admit to being a liberal, and therefore, misled by simple facts. Even if you admit that it is just barely possible that any of the above is based on evidence and fact, your credentials are in doubt.

It's time I changed my sig line. Think I will.
 
To be a good conservative, you just must believe that global warming is a myth, that man poofed into existence some six thousand years ago, right along with the dinosaurs who must have perished in the great flood, and that Einstein was mistaken in his theory of relativity. Science must bow to politics, or you have to turn in your conservative card and admit to being a liberal, and therefore, misled by simple facts. Even if you admit that it is just barely possible that any of the above is based on evidence and fact, your credentials are in doubt.

If there is a common enemy on this forum, it must be the strawman, that dude gets his ass kicked daily from all sides.
 
If there is a common enemy on this forum, it must be the strawman, that dude gets his ass kicked daily from all sides.

Strawman? C'mon! you know that all of the above has been argued in the name of "conservatism" at one time or another. What part do you reject? Careful! You may lose some conservative points!
 
Are you seriously trying to counter irrationality with empirical evidence? You know that is futile. Once minds are made up, facts can not change them.

To be a good conservative, you just must believe that global warming is a myth, that man poofed into existence some six thousand years ago, right along with the dinosaurs who must have perished in the great flood, and that Einstein was mistaken in his theory of relativity. Science must bow to politics, or you have to turn in your conservative card and admit to being a liberal, and therefore, misled by simple facts. Even if you admit that it is just barely possible that any of the above is based on evidence and fact, your credentials are in doubt.

It's time I changed my sig line. Think I will.

Hilarious. You and Saul Alinsky must be related.

There are NO facts proving global warming, but you believe in it because the liberal MSM tells you to. You claim global warming is a fact (do you know what a FACT is?). Then you claim those who do not believe in lies - oh I mean false facts, are irrational.

You would do well on the old Soviet Politburo or Pravda...

I am very close to completing my business plan for getting liberals to send me money. I can't divulge all the details yet due to confidentiality agreements, but its something akin to screaming the sky is falling and the only way to stop it is we must impose worldwide Marxism.

It will make me rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PS. Can you please respond to Pale's statements?
 
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To be a good conservative, you just must believe that global warming is a myth, that man poofed into existence some six thousand years ago, right along with the dinosaurs who must have perished in the great flood, and that Einstein was mistaken in his theory of relativity. Science must bow to politics, or you have to turn in your conservative card and admit to being a liberal, and therefore, misled by simple facts. Even if you admit that it is just barely possible that any of the above is based on evidence and fact, your credentials are in doubt.

Why is it that you only attack "Conservatives" with this type of ire and never the Liberal/Progressives? That is the most likely reason some view you as a Liberal/Progressive, because we only ever hear you bashing Conservatives and you never give the same treatment to the Liberal/Progressives.
 
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