Another Staged Photo Shoot

[Mr. Shaman]

I suspect some of the doctors were fake, maybe actors?

....No doubt an opinion affected by the fantasy-filled BUSHCO-years.....



It's time you faced Reality.

Ya' got hustled by A PUNK!!!!!!

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[asur]

Just because you place a white coat on an ACORNER doesn't mean
they are now legit or doctors.

Weren't these the dudes that cut off the wrong arms and legs
and take advantage of American people?

 

[Dr.Who]

Till then pay out your *** or die

This is just sooo wrong that it verges on being a lie. I would call it an outright lie except that I think you actually have convinced yourself that it is true.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

This is just sooo wrong that it verges on being a lie. I would call it an outright lie except that I think you actually have convinced yourself that it is true.

what part is a lie...that people die to to lack of health care...or that health care costs as are now are very high?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Just because you place a white coat on an ACORNER doesn't mean
they are now legit or doctors.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!!!

Sorry, contestant. All rhetoric & no proof = YOU LIE!!

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[pocketfullofshells]

I suspect some of the doctors were fake, maybe actors?.
Obama is desperate since real doctors oppose his plan BIGTIME!.
That needs to be investigated. Who do these doctors really work for!

and as always you just pull this idea from your rear end...facts? NEvah!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Froggy Beck has hit the BIG 80!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[top gun]

Glenn Beck was dragged across the coals for having a photographer use Vicks under his eyes to get a picture of him crying. My comment was, “It’s just a photo shoot. They stage everything during a photo shoot.”

For all of those people that took issue with the Glenn Beck video, how do you respond to what the President’s photo crew did yesterday? If you missed it, President Obama spoke on healthcare while dozens of white coated doctors sat and stood around him. The problem was, not all of the doctors brought their white coats. In order to make it the best photo opportunity, the photography crew provided white coats for all of the doctors that weren’t wearing them. That’s right, they staged the shoot.

I’ll make the same comment I did on the Beck photo shoot, “I don’t care. It’s just a photo shoot.” For those who immediately concluded Beck a fake, “Is the President a fake now too?” The action was exactly the same and I might argue that the President’s behavior might have even been more dishonest since it wasn’t just him. Instead, it was giving the impression that these doctors agree with his plan and they all don’t. You can’t throw one under the bus and not have a problem with the other…or can you?

SCREEEEEEECH! Better put the brakes on that. Because that's not even close to the truth.

Why do you insist on playing such silly games? The lab coats were provided by the doctors organization itself for anyone who forgot to bring theirs for the picture.

Doctors don't usually go out about town in their lab coats. But if there's a picture to be taken that is supposed to show "doctors" the white lab coat makes that obvious.

If you really want to compare this to ass hat Beck rubbing Vicks around his eyes so he'd be able to cry on cue then the doctors have to be doing something a lot more sinister than wearing a coat that they actually wear all the time at work.

To be even remotely similar to the Beck bag of lies the doctors in the picture would really have to be Dog Catchers and the lab coats stolen from some hospital fearmongered into being some front for Al Queda.

 

[Greco]

"Instead, it was giving the impression that these doctors agree with his plan and they all don’t."

You just love making up crap, hoping people are as stupid as you and won't challenge you on it. So exactly which of those doctors don't agree with his plan? How many of them don't agree with his plan? You can't answer that because you just made up your own fact.

To believe your lie would require someone to accept that doctors that didn't agree with it, had nothing better to do than travel to the White House to appear with the president. Stupid premise, but that's what you apparently thought.

 

[Dr.Who]

what part is a lie...that people die to to lack of health care...or that health care costs as are now are very high?

Not a single American citizen dies do to lack of access to health care. If you can find one go here and post your example:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/122957/Healthcare-Bill-Supporters-Cite-Uninsured-Foes-Big-Govt.aspx

But you have already been on that thread and have already failed to find just one example of any single american citizen who does not have access to health care!

The reason is obvious. There are three ways to get health care and all of us have access to those means: pay for it, have insurance, or have public aid pay for it.

Are cost very high? Compared to the cost of an ice cream cone at McDonald's it is high. But do Americans get their moneys worth? I think they do. We have the best care in the world.

 

[top gun]

Not a single American citizen dies do to lack of access to health care. If you can find one go here and post your example:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/122957/Healthcare-Bill-Supporters-Cite-Uninsured-Foes-Big-Govt.aspx

But you have already been on that thread and have already failed to find just one example of any single american citizen who does not have access to health care!

The reason is obvious. There are three ways to get health care and all of us have access to those means: pay for it, have insurance, or have public aid pay for it.

Are cost very high? Compared to the cost of an ice cream cone at McDonald's it is high. But do Americans get their moneys worth? I think they do. We have the best care in the world.

Pocket is correct... you are incorrect.

There are lots of examples. I don't know them by name but the statistics are as obvious as the nose on your face.

Study links 45,000 U.S. deaths to lack of insurance
Sep 17, 2009
Susan Heavey

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.

"We're losing more Americans every day because of inaction ... than drunk driving and homicide combined," Dr. David Himmelstein, a co-author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in an interview with Reuters.

Overall, researchers said American adults age 64 and younger who lack health insurance have a 40 percent higher risk of death than those who have coverage.


18,000 deaths blamed on lack of insurance
By Steve Sternberg, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — More than 18,000 adults in the USA die each year because they are uninsured and can't get proper health care, researchers report in a landmark study released Tuesday.

The 193-page report, "Care Without Coverage: Too Little, Too Late," examines the plight of 30 million — one in seven — working-age Americans whose employers don't provide insurance and who don't qualify for government medical care.

About 10 million children lack insurance; elderly Americans are covered by Medicare.

It is the second in a planned series of six reports by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) examining the impact of the nation's fragmented health system. The IOM is a non-profit organization of experts that advises Congress on health issues.

Overall, the researchers say, 18,314 people die in the USA each year because they lack preventive services, a timely diagnosis or appropriate care.

The estimated death toll includes about 1,400 people with high blood pressure, 400 to 600 with breast cancer and 1,500 diagnosed with HIV.

"Our purpose is simply to deliver the facts, and the facts are unequivocal," says Reed Tuckson, an author of the report and vice president for consumer health at UnitedHealth Group in Minnetonka, Minn.

Among the study's findings is a comparison of the uninsured with the insured:

Uninsured people with colon or breast cancer face a 50% higher risk of death.
Uninsured trauma victims are less likely to be admitted to the hospital, receive the full range of needed services, and are 37% more likely to die of their injuries.
About 25% of adult diabetics without insurance for a year or more went without a checkup for two years. That boosts their risk of death, blindness and amputations resulting from poor circulation.
Being uninsured also magnifies the risk of death and disability for chronically sick and mentally ill patients, poor people and minorities, who disproportionately lack access to medical care, the landmark study states.

"The report documents the immense consequence of having 40 million uninsured people out there," says Ray Werntz, a consumer health expert with the Employee Benefit Research Institute. "We need to elevate the problem in the national conscience."

Calculating the cost in human suffering, he says, "is one way to get there."

 

[Dr.Who]

There are tons of things wrong with those analysis.

Pocket is correct... you are incorrect.

There are lots of examples. I don't know them by name but the statistics are as obvious as the nose on your face.

yes you don't know them by name. And you won't because the only reason a person would go without care is if they choose not to take advantage of it.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.

I know the study. It guessed that the people must have died because they did not have insurance. It too never examined a single person who was uninsured and based everything on socialogical estimates of what they presumed to be happening. the whole study is based on the premise that if a person who is uninsured chooses not to get care that they must have chosen not to get that care because they did not have insurance. yet many people with insurance also choose not to get care. What do they have in common? They are both making a choice not to pursue what they could. They both have access to care. No one dies because they don't have access but some die because they choose not to get care.

WASHINGTON — More than 18,000 adults in the USA die each year because they are uninsured and can't get proper health care, researchers report in a landmark study released Tuesday.

This study has the same flaws as the first. Hmmmm, that is a big difference in the results between the two. One says 45 and the other says 18. It just shows how much they are guessing.

The 193-page report, "Care Without Coverage: Too Little, Too Late," examines the plight of 30 million — one in seven — working-age Americans whose employers don't provide insurance and who don't qualify for government medical care.

If they don't have insurance that does not matter if they do have health care. Saying they do not have insurance does not show that they do not have care. But saying that they do not have gov medical care does not say that they do not have the ability to self pay. After all the only reason one cannot qualify for gov care is that one has enough money to pay themselves.

About 10 million children lack insurance; elderly Americans are covered by Medicare.

Again, a lack of insurance is no proof of a lack of care.

 

[chestnut]

and as always you just pull this idea from your rear end...facts? NEvah!

Many of the doctors were donors to the campaign of B. Hussein Obama. They are part of a group called Doctors For America which is partnered with Oraganizing for America Obama's campaign oraganization.

 

[TheFranklinParty]

SCREEEEEEECH! Better put the brakes on that. Because that's not even close to the truth.

Why do you insist on playing such silly games? The lab coats were provided by the doctors organization itself for anyone who forgot to bring theirs for the picture.

Doctors don't usually go out about town in their lab coats. But if there's a picture to be taken that is supposed to show "doctors" the white lab coat makes that obvious.

If you really want to compare this to ass hat Beck rubbing Vicks around his eyes so he'd be able to cry on cue then the doctors have to be doing something a lot more sinister than wearing a coat that they actually wear all the time at work.

To be even remotely similar to the Beck bag of lies the doctors in the picture would really have to be Dog Catchers and the lab coats stolen from some hospital fearmongered into being some front for Al Queda.

Six of the doctors came to the meeting with Pres. Obama because they were told that they were actually going to have the opportunity to speak with him about their issues his point of view on Healthcare reform. Three others brought a petition asking him to change his position on Healthcare reform. They did not get to discuss any issues with the president, but did deliver the petition.

As for the coats, several of the doctors were told that there opportunity to speak to the president was tied to the photo op and lab coats were part of that requirement. The lab coats were provided by the special interest lobby you suggest, but don't believe for a minute that that group represents doctors as a whole.

Next time you question someone's facts with second hand data, you may want to ask a few more questions and don't believe everything you read. I talked to people who were actually there.

I don't care about your's or anyone's issues with Beck. My point is that objectivity is a better place to have civil debate otherwise all we are a bunch of raving lunatics.

 

[top gun]

There are tons of things wrong with those analysis.



yes you don't know them by name. And you won't because the only reason a person would go without care is if they choose not to take advantage of it.


I know the study. It guessed that the people must have died because they did not have insurance. It too never examined a single person who was uninsured and based everything on socialogical estimates of what they presumed to be happening. the whole study is based on the premise that if a person who is uninsured chooses not to get care that they must have chosen not to get that care because they did not have insurance. yet many people with insurance also choose not to get care. What do they have in common? They are both making a choice not to pursue what they could. They both have access to care. No one dies because they don't have access but some die because they choose not to get care.



This study has the same flaws as the first. Hmmmm, that is a big difference in the results between the two. One says 45 and the other says 18. It just shows how much they are guessing.


If they don't have insurance that does not matter if they do have health care. Saying they do not have insurance does not show that they do not have care. But saying that they do not have gov medical care does not say that they do not have the ability to self pay. After all the only reason one cannot qualify for gov care is that one has enough money to pay themselves.


Again, a lack of insurance is no proof of a lack of care.

It appears that your whole position rest on the fact that you simply don't like the answer when many independent studies show 10's of thousands of Americans die each year and that's directly linked to our current healthcare system.

That's up to you... but it doesn't change the facts that these studies uncovered & represent. Or put it this way...

How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.
Abraham Lincoln