America was better off with President Obama

[Openmind]

The left is making him more popular with the middle who recognize the hystrionics consuming the fringe.

That is certainly NOT what the polls are showing!

The center hates Trump and HIS histrionics as much as the Left! Trump is left with a shrinking base made to a large extend of three groups. . .sometimes intermixed:

The racists/White supremacists
The very wealthy/heartless corporations
The uneducated

 

[dogtowner]

That is certainly NOT what the polls are showing!

The center hates Trump and HIS histrionics as much as the Left! Trump is left with a shrinking base made to a large extend of three groups. . .sometimes intermixed:

The racists/White supremacists
The very wealthy/heartless corporations
The uneducated

Keep believing your nonsense.

 

[Openmind]

Keep believing your nonsense.

And you keep on believing yours!

 

[Aus22]

Socialist is communist lite, a stepping stone that in practice never gets stepped past. But in every case becomes fake as it becomes propaganda.
The left loves to hate trump and his twitter because he uses it to sidestep the media. And the media hates it worse as it eliminates their significance.

Dogtowner, I think you are looking at Socialism from an American point of view. Australia and Britain has had Labor parties for a century and Socialist parties are popular in Europe. None of them stepped up to Communism. Socialism is democratic. The government only controls what the people want. It allows Private Enterprise but not unregulated Capitalism.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

The left is making him more popular with the middle who recognize the hystrionics consuming the fringe.

Only in the minds of the delusional right. Rational people understand he is mentally just as most of his followers are. Example, he says he is "under investigation", his attorneys say he isn't, now he says he is, and so do other sources. "Histrionics"?

Histrionic personality disorder - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder
Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive attention-seeking emotions, usually beginning in early adulthood, including inappropriately seductive behavior and an excessive need for approval.

 

[dogtowner]

Dogtowner, I think you are looking at Socialism from an American point of view. Australia and Britain has had Labor parties for a century and Socialist parties are popular in Europe. None of them stepped up to Communism. Socialism is democratic. The government only controls what the people want. It allows Private Enterprise but not unregulated Capitalism.

Did I not say communism never gets stepped to ? And why ? It's basically the absence of government. Pols enjoy spending money far too much to give that up.

 

[Openmind]

Did I not say communism never gets stepped to ? And why ? It's basically the absence of government. Pols enjoy spending money far too much to give that up.

So. . . what are you afraid of?

 

[dogtowner]

So. . . what are you afraid of?

I state historical fact and you ask what I'm afraid of.....
What are you talking about?

 

[Openmind]

I state historical fact and you ask what I'm afraid of.....
What are you talking about?

What "historical fact?"

Socialism doesn't "lead" to Communism.
And what YOU call "Socialism" is actually Social democracy, a mixture of Capitalism with social policies. . . or in other words: a LONG TERM and quite successful attempt to curb runaway Capitalism and use it to better the life of a majority of people and provide a safety net for the most disenfranchised.

Even parties who call themselves "socialists" are now being kicked to the curbs in most European countries, and yet, the safety net and joined venture between governments and private enterprises are soaring.

So. . .what is it that frightens you in European social democracies? The fact that they continue to succeed were America is failing (as in education, healthcare, and renewable energy development).

 

[dogtowner]

What "historical fact?"

Socialism doesn't "lead" to Communism.
And what YOU call "Socialism" is actually Social democracy, a mixture of Capitalism with social policies. . . or in other words: a LONG TERM and quite successful attempt to curb runaway Capitalism and use it to better the life of a majority of people and provide a safety net for the most disenfranchised.

Even parties who call themselves "socialists" are now being kicked to the curbs in most European countries, and yet, the safety net and joined venture between governments and private enterprises are soaring.

So. . .what is it that frightens you in European social democracies? The fact that they continue to succeed were America is failing (as in education, healthcare, and renewable energy development).

Consider reading the book.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

Did I not say communism never gets stepped to ? And why ? It's basically the absence of government. Pols enjoy spending money far too much to give that up.

"Absence of government"?

I won't even try to explain anarchy to you.

 

[Aus22]

Did I not say communism never gets stepped to ? And why ? It's basically the absence of government. Pols enjoy spending money far too much to give that up.

Dogtowner I don't think you even understand Socialism. It does not give pols power to spend. In fact it forced them to spend on projects that help the people. Building Hospital and schools to help the majority of the population. Any project nationalise is done because that is what the majority of people wanted. There is no cut for the pols as in many private businesses. If it is Democratic Socialism if people do want government ownership it can be reverse.

 

[Openmind]

Consider reading the book.

Dear, ONE BOOK is not going to change my mind, when I was born and lived in several of those countries. . .and still currently live in one!

 

[The Scotsman]

So. . .what is it that frightens you in European social democracies?

I think it has to do with trying to appease everyone all the time - its the management of expectations game; there is now (seemingly) no allowance for off-centre arguments anymore. I look at at how the independents are being treated by mainstream media in the UK (for example UKIP) which had a single agenda and were branded racists by the press, yet they won the argument much to the chagrin of the establishment politicians and press. I look at the centeriest policies of the likes of Blair here in the UK and the rapprochement he/they had with financial institutions and industry and the catastrophe he/they brought upon the UK. The UK is still in dire straights as a direct result of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown's actions. Globalisation was the buzz word and IMHO it is cracking at the seams and IMHO bound to implode very shortly.

I guess the social democracies have a place so long as the taxpayers are willing and able to fund them and abide with their neo-Kantian philosophies. Take for example the tower block fire we had here in London, much has been said about the state of the building; inadequate fire alarms, no sprinklers etc etc which are all valid, however, the cost of having state of the art apartment blocks given to transient populations then comes into conflict with providing transport, welfare, health, living allowances etc all of which is ultimately bourne by the taxpayers; something as to give, thus management of expectations. You can have all this but at what cost? Life is a cost benefit exercise based on limited resources, however, the social democracies are unwilling to explain that gambit.

 

[Aus22]

The Scotsman you are critical of Labour government in the UH. This is your right but Labour is just lrft of centre. The conservative are just right of centre. Both parties are closer to the centre than most independents.