America the Gutless

[Mr. Shaman]

BTW, my VERY liberal Prof. not only gave me an "A" on it, but had to concede that many of the misconceptions he had held for over a decade were totally inaccurate.

B.S.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

sacrificed by JOHNSON, a democrat.

Yeah.....right.....he had Truman in a head-lock.

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

That's a picture of the evacuation as the NVA entered Saigon in celebration and triumph. Sure, most of the US troops were already gone but not before they bombed and napalmed the north into the stone age killing MILLIONS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

The US finally left because the American people tired of a war the US couldn't win. The US was eventually driven from Vietnam, whether it be through the Paris Peace Accords or not..the only reason we were even at the table was because it was a war we were unable to win.

All that doesn't somehow translate into a US victory. In fact, North Vietnam won this war through attrition and only a few right wing neanderthals dare to suggest otherwise.

And STILL you continue to LIE! We left Vietnam in 1973, in compliance with the terms of the Paris Peace Accords, AFTER we bombed the N. Vietnamese back to the stone age and THEY SUED FOR PEACE! All US and NVA troops were to leave S. Vietnam. Both parties complied with the terms UNTIL you gutless backstabbing DEMOCRAPS renged on our Treaty with S. Vietnam, cut off their assistance, and prevented the use of our military to enforce the peace until the S. Vietnamese were capable of doing so for themselves.

We DID win the War in Vietnam, but you gutless, cheese-eating, barking moonbat, surrender monkeys LOST THE PEACE, and condemned over a MILLION people in S. Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos to death! You OWN defeat, now live with it.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Are you trying to argue that the Cold War was fabricated so defense companies could get paid?

You've (quite) obviously never read Eisenhower's exit-speech:

"Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

Eisenhower could SEE what the implications were, when arms-PROFIT$....and, those MAKING those profit$....could corrupt the HELL out of our Government!!!

What better way to increase (those) profit$, than to keep Americans in a constant-state-of-FEAR, and......when the time's right.....LAUNCH unnecessary-WARS????

 

[Mr. Shaman]

That is one of the most COMPLETELY IDIOTIC things you've ever posted Popeye, and you have NO concept of history. First of all, except for the Marine Embassy guard, we didn't have any troops in Vietnam in 1975 when Saigon fell, and HADN'T FOR OVER 2 YEARS!

Why do you continue to embarrass yourself? Have you ever been diagnosed with masochistic-tendencies?

"The Ngo family ascribe their presence in the Virginia suburbs of Washington DC to divine intervention. On the afternoon of April 29 1975, in those dreadful last hours before the fall of Saigon to the North Vietnamese army, Toai Vuong Ngo, his wife Nghiem Lan Ngo, and 18-year-old sister Tuyet Lan Ngo, found themselves in the desperate crush outside a side entrance to the US embassy, wedged between the crowds and the locked arms of the marine guards at the gate."

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Try doin' a little reading.....before you (next) start shootin'-off-your-mouth, about things you know NOTHING!!!

 

[Andy]

Are you trying to argue that the Cold War was fabricated so defense companies could get paid?

Shaman is right on par with Sih. The different being he has less substance to his illogical statements.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Don't you know? That's a picture of victory,...running, tails firmly placed between legs, as the NVA invade Saigon and take over the city in triumph.

Nahhhhhhhhhh.....they were more-than-likely trying to get a better view of the NVA-tanks......comin'-thru the front-gate!!

 

[BigRob]

You've (quite) obviously never read Eisenhower's exit-speech:



Eisenhower could SEE what the implications were, when arms-PROFIT$....and, those MAKING those profit$....could corrupt the HELL out of our Government!!!

What better way to increase (those) profit$, than to keep Americans in a constant-state-of-FEAR, and......when the time's right.....LAUNCH unnecessary-WARS????

Eisenhower did not run the entire Cold War....

No one denies that in a war arms companies make money, but to claim that there was not an actual threat in the Cold War and it was simply manufactured by arms companies is ridiculous.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Eisenhower did not run the entire Cold War....

No one denies that in a war arms companies make money, but to claim that there was not an actual threat in the Cold War and it was simply manufactured by arms companies is ridiculous.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight........

"Documentary filmmaker Eugene Jarecki has a new book, The American Way of War, which discusses how the military-industrial complex has become all-pervasive in our society, to the point of pushing aside what was formerly the American way of life.

Jarecki told the Daily Show's Jon Stewart on Monday that the military-industrial complex is not only more entrenched today than when President Eisenhower first warned against it 50 years ago, but also "much more generalized," amounting to "a kind of corporate-political complex at work in this country ... corporations and people in Congress working a bit too closely."

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

Why do you continue to embarrass yourself? Have you ever been diagnosed with masochistic-tendencies?

Try doin' a little reading.....before you (next) start shootin'-off-your-mouth, about things you know NOTHING!!!

Shaman, I don't NEED to "read up" on it, one of my cousins was one of the Embassy Guards in Saigon during our departure. It was his 3rd tour of Vietnam, having served there in '68, '71, and then in '75, so I've got FIRST PERSON accounts of what happened there.

Were YOU there? Can you offer any FIRST PERSON rebuttal or are you going to continue to content yourself with your revisionist "hate America first" blather and lies?

Nothing you've spouted changes the fact that the Vietnam War had ended with our VICTORY, 2 years BEFORE the fall of Saigon, and that fall was a direct result of the DEMOCRAPS in Congress violating the terms of our Treaty with the S. Vietnamese government.

You hate America, OWN IT!

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight........

And yet another blatant example of the willful stupidity of the loony left. Rather than citing actual sources, the surrender monkeys continually refer to "film makers" and "fiction writers" for their perspective on the War in Vietnam.

FYI Shaman, Vietnam was NOT a movie, it was real, so perhaps you're offerings be better received if you were to stick to the HISTORICAL RECORD.

 

[bododie]

Yeah.....right.....he had Truman in a head-lock.

OMG. You can't be serious. Was it Truman that lied about the Gulf of Tonkin?

 

[Popeye]

OMG. You can't be serious. Was it Truman that lied about the Gulf of Tonkin?

Nope, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution is on Johnson but Nixon continued the war even though it was obvious we couldn't win. Because of that stubbornness, 21,041 more Americans died during Nixon's presidency.

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

Nope, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution is on Johnson but Nixon continued the war even though it was obvious we couldn't win. Because of that stubbornness, 21,041 more Americans died during Nixon's presidency.

That's right, keep ignoring the truth. We WON, and you can't stand it, because it proves the failure of your entire "hate America first" Commie mentality.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Shaman, I don't NEED to "read up" on it, one of my cousins was one of the Embassy Guards in Saigon during our departure.

B.S. ​