A question for the "so-called" pro-life people:

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Dawkinsrocks said:
You mean you won't pay a little extra in tax to help poor black people
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Yeah the government has really helped black people so much since the Great Society programs enslaved them to the D Party (really commies).

Just another race baiting tactic commonly used by leftists.
 
The plight of black people is a lot better now than when the rich were allowed to run things their way unhindered

Perhaps you yearn for such times
 
PLC1 said:
Government of the people and by the people won't work if the people abrogate their responsibility. That's the root cause of the fiscal irresponsibility and of passage of laws contrary to the Bill of Rights.
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It is certainly a part of the cause. That does not absolve the congress from their role in what they have done. Would you suggest that the only thing to be done now is to wait for the people to wake up and vote them out? What if the people are unwilling because they like going to the circus? (you get the allusion?) Is there no legal recourse? Could we not change the system slightly to make it harder for the politicians to ignore what should be? Our system is one in which no matter what the people want certain things are not allowed. Government discrimination against people because of religion or race or gender for example are not allowed even if people want the discrimination. In the same way biased justice in the form of an unequal protection under the law should not be permitted no matter how many people want it. I am talking about taxing the rich to give to the poor - this is not equal protection, not constitutional, and it should not be allowed no matter how many of the people want it. I am serious when I ask why do you discount such arguments?
 
Dawkinsrocks said:
You mean you won't pay a little extra in tax to help poor black people
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It would be an example of discrimination to pay extra to help only black people. Any such program would have to be color blind in order not to be discriminatory.

Would I pay a little extra to help poor black people? No I would not support a discriminatory program. For example my church gives coats and gloves and even toys to poor people in the area every year. If the program only gave to black people I would not support it. Fortunately the program is not discriminatory so I do support it.

Would I pay a little extra to help poor people of any color? Yes and I do. Would I pay a little extra through gov programs? I already do even though I don't want to. My neighbors and I are being coerced and we should not be coerced since our money is much wiser spent through church programs which are not coercive.
 
Dawkinsrocks said:
The plight of black people is a lot better now than when the rich were allowed to run things their way unhindered

Perhaps you yearn for such times
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So much wrong with that two sentence post.

First, by any measure you wish to analyze, African Americans are much worse off today than they were before your beloved collectivist Great Society programs came about. Their schools are much worse resulting in much higher drop out rates. Marriage rates much worse. Abortion rates through the roof. Illegitimacy has sky rocketed. One parent homes are the norm. Drug use, crime, and gangs proliferate. But then we know you libs do not consider the consequences of your flawed policies. It is all about good intentions with your kind.

And do you really think the rich do NOT run things today? If so, I would love to sell you a highway bridge I own for a very good price, but I only accept cash.
 
Gipper said:
So much wrong with that two sentence post.

First, by any measure you wish to analyze, African Americans are much worse off today than they were before your beloved collectivist Great Society programs came about. Their schools are much worse resulting in much higher drop out rates. Marriage rates much worse. Abortion rates through the roof. Illegitimacy has sky rocketed. One parent homes are the norm. Drug use, crime, and gangs proliferate. But then we know you libs do not consider the consequences of your flawed policies. It is all about good intentions with your kind.

And do you really think the rich do NOT run things today? If so, I would love to sell you a highway bridge I own for a very good price, but I only accept cash.
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Lets stipulate that the rich run many things both today and also long ago. But by what authority does anyone claim the power to hinder the rich from doing things they want to do? Answer: when anyone rich or poor commits a crime then the gov can stop them but when anyone rich or poor obeys the law then they should be unhindered.
 
Gipper said:
So much wrong with that two sentence post.

First, by any measure you wish to analyze, African Americans are much worse off today than they were before your beloved collectivist Great Society programs came about. Their schools are much worse resulting in much higher drop out rates. Marriage rates much worse. Abortion rates through the roof. Illegitimacy has sky rocketed. One parent homes are the norm. Drug use, crime, and gangs proliferate. But then we know you libs do not consider the consequences of your flawed policies. It is all about good intentions with your kind.

And do you really think the rich do NOT run things today? If so, I would love to sell you a highway bridge I own for a very good price, but I only accept cash.
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By all those measures blacks are better off. But those are not all the measures. If we measure freedom during the slave years then they were not better off. If we measure discrimination just after the slave years then they were not better off. It is certainly a mixed bag. But I agree with you that by and large the social programs have not made blacks better off. The civil rights movement made things better in some ways but did any of the civil rights laws make things better?
 
Dr.Who said:
It is certainly a part of the cause. That does not absolve the congress from their role in what they have done. Would you suggest that the only thing to be done now is to wait for the people to wake up and vote them out? What if the people are unwilling because they like going to the circus? (you get the allusion?) Is there no legal recourse? Could we not change the system slightly to make it harder for the politicians to ignore what should be? Our system is one in which no matter what the people want certain things are not allowed. Government discrimination against people because of religion or race or gender for example are not allowed even if people want the discrimination. In the same way biased justice in the form of an unequal protection under the law should not be permitted no matter how many people want it. I am talking about taxing the rich to give to the poor - this is not equal protection, not constitutional, and it should not be allowed no matter how many of the people want it. I am serious when I ask why do you discount such arguments?
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What other recourse do we have when Congress does not represent us besides voting them out of office? If we really believe that taxation of any sort is "taking from the rich to give to the poor", then we, the people, need to vote against anyone who is in favor of taxation. The reason such an action will not happen is that only a few hold such extreme viewpoints. Why we don't vote out the people who have created the fiscal mess we see today is a mystery to me, as doing so would not involve any sort of extremism.
 
PLC1 said:
Why we don't vote out the people who have created the fiscal mess we see today is a mystery to me, as doing so would not involve any sort of extremism.
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There is no mystery. One only has to look at who is educating the masses and where they get their news.
 
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PLC1 said:
None of them are being educated by a union VP from anywhere.
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So you don't think the Teacher's Union has any bearing on educational policies?

Teachers Flock to Northwestern University for 'Marxist Conference'

This Saturday, the Midwest Marxist Conference was held at Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism. The event was teeming with teachers who spoke about the new found bond between the radical socialists and their Teachers Union. The all-day event, which collected money to support Chicago Socialists and featured a communist bookstore, provided students on-campus along with the radical left community to plan the next phase in their activism.
 

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