"You Scare Me"

[PLC1]

Agreed.

The thing that is interesting is that many otherwise intelligent Americans ignored the warning signs or failed to see them. These people were not hardcore lefties. It was clear to anyone paying attention that BO is an anti-American Marxist. There is no dispute about this. Yet, so many Americans willingly went along with the BS from the MSM and voted for BO.

And now, as we have seen on this board, the leftists have nothing left but to scream racist at those who find BO's policies appalling and wrong for America.

But, we were told BO and the libs were going to bring us all together for a big hug. Oh well, just another liberal failure with huge consequences.

I didn't scream racist. I pointed out silly hype. Can you respond to this, without some silly and meaningless labeling?

Hype by the opposition most likely had a lot to do with getting Obama elected. Anyone who believed that garbage would not have voted for a Democrat if he were running against Voldemort, and it just turned off the independent voters.

If you take off the partisan blinders, Obama really is not that much different from his predecessor.

And, if you recall my posts during the Bush administration, you might recall I was not exactly a fan. I'm no fan of Obama's big government agenda any more than I was of Bush's, but Hitler, Mao, Marx, etc.? C'mon, that's just silly.

 

[Gipper]

I didn't scream racist. I pointed out silly hype. Can you respond to this, without some silly and meaningless labeling?

Wow dude WTF man???

I was not referring to you or anyone in particular.

And, here I thought pot heads were all mellow....

And I agree BO's style of Marxism is a soft Marxism. Though I suspect many lefties would like a hard (murderous) Marxism similar to Stalin, Hitler, and Mao. This is purely based on the fact that many in those countries loved those guys...and many lefties in America did too.

 

[PLC1]

Wow dude WTF man???

I was not referring to you or anyone in particular.

And, here I thought pot heads were all mellow....

And I agree BO's style of Marxism is a soft Marxism. Though I suspect many lefties would like a hard (murderous) Marxism similar to Stalin, Hitler, and Mao. This is purely based on the fact that many in those countries loved those guys...and many lefties in America did too.

A "soft" Marxism? Just what is a "soft Marxism"? That term makes no sense at all.

Are you seriously suggesting that there is any significant number of people in the US who would like to adopt the philosophy of Stalin, Hitler or Mao?

What's with the conflating the philosophies of Marx, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao? Those are very different things. Obama is a left wing statist, much like his predecessor, and is not even close to being any of the above.

If his opponents would have simply opposed him based on his actual philosophy, rather than the absurd hype and mis labeling, they may have won.

In fact, it is quite possible that Obama being president is due to the radical hyperbola of his opponents. That, along with Bush, McCain, and Palin, are responsible for Obama being elected in the first place. If you don't like the current policies, there is where you need to lay the blame.

You keep mixing up political philosophies, making absurd statements, yet accuse me of being the one puffing on the devil's weed.

 

[Gipper]

A "soft" Marxism? Just what is a "soft Marxism"? That term makes no sense at all.

Are you seriously suggesting that there is any significant number of people in the US who would like to adopt the philosophy of Stalin, Hitler or Mao?

What's with the conflating the philosophies of Marx, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao? Those are very different things. Obama is a left wing statist, much like his predecessor, and is not even close to being any of the above.

If his opponents would have simply opposed him based on his actual philosophy, rather than the absurd hype and mis labeling, they may have won.

In fact, it is quite possible that Obama being president is due to the radical hyperbola of his opponents. That, along with Bush, McCain, and Palin, are responsible for Obama being elected in the first place. If you don't like the current policies, there is where you need to lay the blame.

You keep mixing up political philosophies, making absurd statements, yet accuse me of being the one puffing on the devil's weed.

There you go again....

I love that line...don't you?

You just keep mixing things up in your mind...whats left of it.

Lets see now...his Mommy and Daddy were Marxists...his Grannie and Gramps were Marxists...his mentor was a Marxist...he befriended a bunch of Marxists....but he ain't no Marxist.

He ignores the Constitution, wants "positive rights" outlined in the Constitution cause its so negative, takes control of the auto industry, banks, insurance, healthcare, places a bunch of Marxists in his administration....but he ain't no Marxist.

I would draw you a map using crayons, but that is kind of hard to do in this format...

You are the poster child for how BO got elected. You ignore all the warning signs that are right there at the end of your nose.

Yeah and the philosophies of Mao, Stalin, and Hitler are soooooooooooo different....Yeah and I have a bridge for sale. Just send cash....

 

[PLC1]

There you go again....

I love that line...don't you?

You just keep mixing things up in your mind...whats left of it.

Lets see now...his Mommy and Daddy were Marxists...his Grannie and Gramps were Marxists...his mentor was a Marxist...he befriended a bunch of Marxists....but he ain't no Marxist.

He ignores the Constitution, wants "positive rights" outlined in the Constitution cause its so negative, takes control of the auto industry, banks, insurance, healthcare, places a bunch of Marxists in his administration....but he ain't no Marxist.

I would draw you a map using crayons, but that is kind of hard to do in this format...

You are the poster child for how BO got elected. You ignore all the warning signs that are right there at the end of your nose.

Yeah and the philosophies of Mao, Stalin, and Hitler are soooooooooooo different....Yeah and I have a bridge for sale. Just send cash....

So, when do you expect the trains to start gathering up the Jews and hauling them to death camps?

silly hype. Absurd comparisons. No one who would ever even consider voting for a Democrat would believe such nonsense. Very few voters of any stripe would believe such absolute garbage. That's exactly the kind of nonsense that turned off the independent voters and got Obama elected in the first place.

You are the poster child for why Obama was elected.

 

[Gipper]

So, when do you expect the trains to start gathering up the Jews and hauling them to death camps?

silly hype. Absurd comparisons. No one who would ever even consider voting for a Democrat would believe such nonsense. Very few voters of any stripe would believe such absolute garbage. That's exactly the kind of nonsense that turned off the independent voters and got Obama elected in the first place.

You are the poster child for why Obama was elected.

You say you are old, yet I suspect from you childish response that you might be a pimply faced teenager. Or, at least one mentally.

 

[PLC1]

You say you are old, yet I suspect from you childish response that you might be a pimply faced teenager. Or, at least one mentally.

Good job of not addressing anything I said.

 

[OldTrapper]

So, when do you expect the trains to start gathering up the Jews and hauling them to death camps?

Only Hitler killed the Jews. Stalin, Mao, Poi Pot, focused mostly on the opposition, and the intellectuals.

silly hype. Absurd comparisons. No one who would ever even consider voting for a Democrat would believe such nonsense. Very few voters of any stripe would believe such absolute garbage. That's exactly the kind of nonsense that turned off the independent voters and got Obama elected in the first place.

To a point you are right. Most who voted for Obama were more concerned with his race, and the significance of electing the first Black man to the office of Presidency. Most, according to the polls, regret doing so.

Have you noticed how the numbers of Black Conservatives (Republicans) are rising since he was elected?

What turned most independents off was McCain.

You are the poster child for why Obama was elected.

I have a feeling you are.

 

[Gipper]

So, when do you expect the trains to start gathering up the Jews and hauling them to death camps?

silly hype. Absurd comparisons. No one who would ever even consider voting for a Democrat would believe such nonsense. Very few voters of any stripe would believe such absolute garbage. That's exactly the kind of nonsense that turned off the independent voters and got Obama elected in the first place.

You are the poster child for why Obama was elected.

Oh I get it now...to YOU, ALL Marxists want to round up Jews for extermination. So, by your silly definition of a Marxist, BO does not fit. Okay...

Sorry I just can't be irrational like you, but I will keep trying.

 

[GenSeneca]

What's with the conflating the philosophies of Marx, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao? Those are very different things.

Considering that all of their ideologies share the philosophical concepts of Collectivism, Altruism and "Greater Good"-ism (which I consider Statism), the ideologies of Marx, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao really are not that different.

Obama is a left wing statist, much like his predecessor, and is not even close to being any of the above.

So what is your definition of Statism and what do you see as some of it's philosophical components?

 

[PLC1]

Oh I get it now..

No, I really don't think you do.

 

[PLC1]

Considering that all of their ideologies share the philosophical concepts of Collectivism, Altruism and "Greater Good"-ism (which I consider Statism), the ideologies of Marx, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao really are not that different.


So what is your definition of Statism and what do you see as some of it's philosophical components?

Statism is simply the idea that a powerful central government is a solution to problems and to be encouraged. Every president I can remember, and that goes back to JFK, has increased the size and power of the federal government in one way or another, so statism is nothing new.

Socialism is government ownership of the means of production. So far, we don't have socialism. The welfare state, the "Great society", the US as world cop idea, all of that is statism. None of it is socialism.

Mao, Stalin, et. al that have been compared to Obama were despots. When Obama decides to nullify the results of an election, or try to jail his opponents, then he will rise to the status of despot.

Until that happens, he is no more than another statist president, not a whole lot different from his predecessor. Comparing him to Hitler and so on is no more than overheated rhetoric.

 

[GenSeneca]

Socialism is government ownership of the means of production.

I see. So according to your dictionary definition, Socialists only want government ownership of the means of production and that's it... Therefore you would not recognize such things as Progressive taxation, welfare programs, the redistribution of wealth, universal healthcare, and Keynesian economics as having anything to do with Socialism.

Perhaps you should contact the Democratic Socialists of America and let them know that advocating for the above policies does not qualify them as being Socialists (according to your dictionary definition) and they should either change their name or begin advocating for government ownership of the means of production.

Mao, Stalin, et. al that have been compared to Obama were despots.

So because all those men were mass murders and Obama is not, you do not believe there can be any legitimate comparison between the policies of Obama and the policies of such despots?

Universal Healthcare
Welfare Programs
Progressive Taxation
Redistribution of Wealth
Keynesian economics

Those are just some of the policy items that Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Obama share. Yet by pointing out these facts you think people are actually trying to make the case that Obama is a mass murderer or a Dictator... Hitlers Holocaust policy made him a mass murderer, the policies of the "purges" made the other two mass murderers.

Obama is not advocating for any policies of mass murder and, to my knowledge, nobody here has even suggest that he is. However, simply because he does not advocate for policies of mass murder does not negate the fact that he does advocate for all the previously specified Socialist* policies.

* Socialist according to the DSA and CPUSA rather than the dictionary.

 

[Gipper]

I see. So according to your dictionary definition, Socialists only want government ownership of the means of production and that's it... Therefore you would not recognize such things as Progressive taxation, welfare programs, the redistribution of wealth, universal healthcare, and Keynesian economics as having anything to do with Socialism.

Perhaps you should contact the Democratic Socialists of America and let them know that advocating for the above policies does not qualify them as being Socialists (according to your dictionary definition) and they should either change their name or begin advocating for government ownership of the means of production.


So because all those men were mass murders and Obama is not, you do not believe there can be any legitimate comparison between the policies of Obama and the policies of such despots?

Universal Healthcare
Welfare Programs
Progressive Taxation
Redistribution of Wealth
Keynesian economics

Those are just some of the policy items that Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Obama share. Yet by pointing out these facts you think people are actually trying to make the case that Obama is a mass murderer or a Dictator... Hitlers Holocaust policy made him a mass murderer, the policies of the "purges" made the other two mass murderers.

Obama is not advocating for any policies of mass murder and, to my knowledge, nobody here has even suggest that he is. However, simply because he does not advocate for policies of mass murder does not negate the fact that he does advocate for all the previously specified Socialist* policies.

* Socialist according to the DSA and CPUSA rather than the dictionary.

Well said Gen. Exactly what I meant by "soft Marxism."

Lets see...BO agrees with everything the greatest mass murderers of the 20th century did, except for the mass murder. To some, that means BO is entirely different and anyone who compares BO to them is a fool.

 

[Pandora]

I see. So according to your dictionary definition, Socialists only want government ownership of the means of production and that's it... Therefore you would not recognize such things as Progressive taxation, welfare programs, the redistribution of wealth, universal healthcare, and Keynesian economics as having anything to do with Socialism.

Perhaps you should contact the Democratic Socialists of America and let them know that advocating for the above policies does not qualify them as being Socialists (according to your dictionary definition) and they should either change their name or begin advocating for government ownership of the means of production.


So because all those men were mass murders and Obama is not, you do not believe there can be any legitimate comparison between the policies of Obama and the policies of such despots?

Universal Healthcare
Welfare Programs
Progressive Taxation
Redistribution of Wealth
Keynesian economics

Those are just some of the policy items that Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Obama share. Yet by pointing out these facts you think people are actually trying to make the case that Obama is a mass murderer or a Dictator... Hitlers Holocaust policy made him a mass murderer, the policies of the "purges" made the other two mass murderers.

Obama is not advocating for any policies of mass murder and, to my knowledge, nobody here has even suggest that he is. However, simply because he does not advocate for policies of mass murder does not negate the fact that he does advocate for all the previously specified Socialist* policies.

* Socialist according to the DSA and CPUSA rather than the dictionary.

You word things so well