Where Does One Sign-Up for a Free Obama-Phone?

[GenSeneca]

employees don't pay for unemployment insurance.

Yes they do, in the form of lower wages. Employers look at what an employee costs the company and try to hire only those whose productivity will generate returns greater than the cost of employing them. They don't care whether that other 7% goes to your wages or goes to the state as a tax, their balance sheet only cares about the total cost of having you as an employee.

I'd rather have the higher wages. I'm confident that I'd be a better steward of MY money than the government.

 

[Cruella]

Employees don't pay unemployment. The employer pays it on the first $7000 of wages.

 

[Gipper]

It's getting pretty bad over there. The Greek police are now sending people to the neo-Nazi party for protection, from the muslim immigrants. Their high unemployment and austerity programs are being complicated by unchecked immigration. Sounds like the place is a powder keg.

This is a consequence of the welfare state. It is not sustainable there as it is here. It will ultimately crash and burn our government as it is in Europe. Its demise will be a good thing for all Americans, but what will we have then?

The radical left plans to destroy the republic, with the intention of imposing a communist tyranny. If they are successful, many of us will disappear.

On the bright side, maybe America can return to its original condition of liberty, free market capitalism, and limited government. How great would that be?

 

[Cruella]

This is a consequence of the welfare state. It is not sustainable there as it is here. It will ultimately crash and burn our government as it is in Europe. Its demise will be a good thing for all Americans, but what will we have then?

The radical left plans to destroy the republic, with the intention of imposing a communist tyranny. If they are successful, many of us will disappear.

On the bright side, maybe America can return to its original condition of liberty, free market capitalism, and limited government. How great would that be?

I forget which show I saw it on, but they were talking about a Breitbart movie called "Occupy Unmasked". Apparently they haven't gone away and are anticipating an austerity program here, and that's when they will come out and demonstrate and cause chaos again.

Occupy Unmasked Vindicated: Leaders Concede Goal Is Revolution, Support Violence

http://www.occupyunmasked.com/trailer.aspx
http://www.occupyunmasked.com/

 

[GenSeneca]

Employees don't pay unemployment. The employer pays it on the first $7000 of wages.

You're not following, probably because you haven't really thought about it before... Many workers have been led to believe that taxes paid by employers are not levied at the expense of the employee but that is false and I can easily explain why. Lets take a look at it from the perspective of an employer.

You want to hire someone for your company and you can afford to have the new hire cost your company $30k a year, that's including all taxes and benefits. Without having to shell out for taxes and benefits, you could pay the individual $30k a year and call it a day. However, there are taxes and benefits that need to be factored into the equation.This means you, the employer, will have to offer the employee less than $30k/yr because the difference will be consumed in taxes and benefits.

Just to keep it simple, lets say it's going to cost you, the employer, $8k/yr to comply with the taxes (which includes taxes like unemployment) and any benefits. The maximum amount you can offer your new hire in salary is now $22k/yr. If the cost of employing that worker goes up to $9k/yr, through higher taxes on the employer and/or more government mandated benefits, then the maximum amount you could offer the new hire would be $21k/yr. Remember, you can only afford to spend $30k/yr on the employee.

So while you, the employer, have to pay taxes like unemployment on behalf of your employee, those taxes are paid at the expense of the salary of the worker, not at the expense of the employer.

Here's a really crappy visual aid that represents the $30k an employer is willing to spend to hire someone:

Taxes|--------------------------------------------|Salary

Put your cursor over the line and slide it from one end to the other to replicate taxes. As taxes paid by the employer rise, the salary the employer is able to offer an employee shrinks. As taxes decline, the employer is able to offer the employee a higher salary. Hence my statement, employees DO pay for unemployment, in the form of lower salaries.

If you're still convinced that raising taxes on employers is NOT done at the expense of the employee, then I would welcome you to explain how that is possible.

 

[PLC1]

You're not following, probably because you haven't really thought about it before... Many workers have been led to believe that taxes paid by employers are not levied at the expense of the employee but that is false and I can easily explain why. Lets take a look at it from the perspective of an employer.

You want to hire someone for your company and you can afford to have the new hire cost your company $30k a year, that's including all taxes and benefits. Without having to shell out for taxes and benefits, you could pay the individual $30k a year and call it a day. However, there are taxes and benefits that need to be factored into the equation.This means you, the employer, will have to offer the employee less than $30k/yr because the difference will be consumed in taxes and benefits.

Just to keep it simple, lets say it's going to cost you, the employer, $8k/yr to comply with the taxes (which includes taxes like unemployment) and any benefits. The maximum amount you can offer your new hire in salary is now $22k/yr. If the cost of employing that worker goes up to $9k/yr, through higher taxes on the employer and/or more government mandated benefits, then the maximum amount you could offer the new hire would be $21k/yr. Remember, you can only afford to spend $30k/yr on the employee.

So while you, the employer, have to pay taxes like unemployment on behalf of your employee, those taxes are paid at the expense of the salary of the worker, not at the expense of the employer.

Here's a really crappy visual aid that represents the $30k an employer is willing to spend to hire someone:

Taxes|--------------------------------------------|Salary

Put your cursor over the line and slide it from one end to the other to replicate taxes. As taxes paid by the employer rise, the salary the employer is able to offer an employee shrinks. As taxes decline, the employer is able to offer the employee a higher salary. Hence my statement, employees DO pay for unemployment, in the form of lower salaries.

If you're still convinced that raising taxes on employers is NOT done at the expense of the employee, then I would welcome you to explain how that is possible.

Exactly so.

Not only is unemployment paid, if indirectly, by the employee, so is social security (the portion paid by the employer as well), health insurance, workman's compensation, and Medicare.

There is no free lunch.

 

[Cruella]

ObamaPhones Profiting ObamaDonors

Program to aid the poor lining the pockets of the wealthy

One of the major providers of the free cell phones—3.8 million subscribers as of late 2011—is Miami-based TracFone Wireless, a company whose president and CEO, Frederick “F.J.” Pollak, has donated at least $156,500 to Democratic candidates and committees this cycle, including at least $50,000 to the Obama campaign.
Pollak’s wife, Abigail, is a campaign bundler for Obama who has raised more than $632,000 for the president this cycle, and more than $1.5 million since 2007. She has personally contributed more than $200,000 to Democratic candidates and committees since 2008.
The Pollaks hosted Obama at their Miami Beach home in June for a $40,000-per-plate fundraising dinner, and hosted a similar event with Michelle Obama in July 2008. The couple personally donated a combined $66,200 to Obama’s reelection effort that year.
Visitor logs indicate that Frederick and Abigail Pollak have visited the White House seven times. In 2009, the president appointed Abigail to serve on the “Commission to Study the Potential Creation of a National Museum of the American Latino.”
TracFone, a direct financial beneficiary of the Lifeline program, receives $10 a month for each subscriber in the form of federal subsidies. The company can make an additional profit selling extra minutes to Lifeline subscribers who exceed their monthly allowance of 250 prepaid minutes.
TracFone and other wireless providers claim that revenue from selling additional minutes to Lifeline customers is low, but decline to publicly release such figures.

The program’s rapidly increasing costs have attracted the attention of Republicans and Democrats in Congress, and have prompted calls for reform. Sen. Claire McCaskill (D., Mo.), for example, found that the program was “ripe for fraud.” In some cases, McCaskill noted in a December 2011 press release, the government was issuing multiple free phones to the same individuals.

 

[PLC1]

ObamaPhones Profiting ObamaDonors

Program to aid the poor lining the pockets of the wealthy

One of the major providers of the free cell phones—3.8 million subscribers as of late 2011—is Miami-based TracFone Wireless, a company whose president and CEO, Frederick “F.J.” Pollak, has donated at least $156,500 to Democratic candidates and committees this cycle, including at least $50,000 to the Obama campaign.
Pollak’s wife, Abigail, is a campaign bundler for Obama who has raised more than $632,000 for the president this cycle, and more than $1.5 million since 2007. She has personally contributed more than $200,000 to Democratic candidates and committees since 2008.
The Pollaks hosted Obama at their Miami Beach home in June for a $40,000-per-plate fundraising dinner, and hosted a similar event with Michelle Obama in July 2008. The couple personally donated a combined $66,200 to Obama’s reelection effort that year.
Visitor logs indicate that Frederick and Abigail Pollak have visited the White House seven times. In 2009, the president appointed Abigail to serve on the “Commission to Study the Potential Creation of a National Museum of the American Latino.”
TracFone, a direct financial beneficiary of the Lifeline program, receives $10 a month for each subscriber in the form of federal subsidies. The company can make an additional profit selling extra minutes to Lifeline subscribers who exceed their monthly allowance of 250 prepaid minutes.
TracFone and other wireless providers claim that revenue from selling additional minutes to Lifeline customers is low, but decline to publicly release such figures.

The program’s rapidly increasing costs have attracted the attention of Republicans and Democrats in Congress, and have prompted calls for reform. Sen. Claire McCaskill (D., Mo.), for example, found that the program was “ripe for fraud.” In some cases, McCaskill noted in a December 2011 press release, the government was issuing multiple free phones to the same individuals.

I wonder if this is one of the programs Romney won't borrow money from China to pay for, or if that is just limited to Big Bird?

 

[Cruella]

I wonder if this is one of the programs Romney won't borrow money from China to pay for, or if that is just limited to Big Bird?

Big Bird is a multi-million dollar evil CORPORATION - Big Bird merchandise is probably already manufactured in China.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

I wont me a sail-phone...

 

[PLC1]

I wont me a sail-phone...

A sail phone?

I saw one on sale the other day. Is that the same thing?

 

[Johnny Tremain]

A sail phone?

I saw one on sale the other day. Is that the same thing?

"no"

See--the video.