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Understanding the Enemy

Discussion in 'World Politics' started by bewitched, Dec 17, 2007.

  1. Gipper

    Gipper Well-Known Member

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    Apparently you know little about the ME.

    Nearly all the ME nations do not want a nuke Iran. They all fear Iran and know the Iranians want their Persian empire back plus they desire the return of the 12th Imam (look it up, as I suspect you are unaware) and the Iranian kooky leader has said over and over Israel must die.

    Yes Israel has nukes...thank God for that. But, the ME nations know Israel is a rational nation unlike Iran. And, it has no desire to build an empire or believe in crazy fantasies.

    Should we take people by their words or like you believe something else? Meaning your thinking is Iran would NEVER start a nuke war...why?...to what ends?... This is foolish thinking. But, you have much company. For example, most of Europe ignored the threats from Hitler's Germany though he made his intentions imminently clear.

    You and Neville Chamberlain fail to learn from history.
     
  2. AgainstTheMachine

    AgainstTheMachine Well-Known Member

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    well said Gipper

    I actually forgot about the 12th Imam :eek:

    Thanks for the refresh!
     
  3. orogenicman

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    It's called a typo. Note my response #703 where I corrected the mistake and apologized for it. It was supposed to read "mormon".

    So OCD is your religion? Wow, that's a new one. ;)

    At the same time, you mention that you worship Jesus Christ, so how is it that you claim that you aren't a Christian (noting that you don't belong to any particular denomination)? I don't believe in God, so whatever you thought I believed you can rest assured it isn't true.

    Not really. Just pointing out the obvious. :)

    And there is no way that your prayers being answered are mere coincidence?

    I'm happy for you.

    And no effort on your part had anything to do with it?
     
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    Do you know any Iranians? I do. None of them want tyhe Persian empire back. Just because their leadership is nuts doesn't mean that they all think the same way. In fact, many young Iranians like the west and prefer to have a more secular society than they have. Did yo not notice the riots that occurred there in recent months?

    Dude, I don't think anyone should have nukes, not even us, much less anyone in the Middle East. There are simply too many hot heads on all sides. Israel is no different in this respect. They have their fanatics as well.

    Speaking of Hitler, perhaps you should do a google search for Godwin's law.
     
  5. AgainstTheMachine

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    ... sure in part ... God helps those who help themselves!
     
  6. BigRob

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    Like you say, no one seems all that worried about them. Israel is not going to be a proliferation threat to anyone really.
     
  7. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    no one worries about them? you mean the west does not...many other nations do worry about them with it.
     
  8. Gipper

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    Nice post. It reveals much about your illogical thinking.

    1. You admit the Iranian leadership is nuts. Then state many Iranians are not nuts. So what? This proves nothing but your naivete. Most Americans do not want socialism, but BO is giving it to us. So, you see it does not matter what the Iranian people want. Did the riots change anything???
    2. No one should have nukes. Really?...similar to no one should have a gun. Right? Wake up DUDE...living in a fantasy world is...naive.
    3. Israel is not different you say...really? Once again your lack of understanding speaks volumes. The "hot heads" control Iran. Hot heads do not control Israel. See the difference?
    4. Godwin's Law...ah yes history does repeat itself because people like you fail to learn from it. Throughout history there has always been crazy dictators with bad intentions. You would think libs would learn from this...but no.
     
  9. BigRob

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    Some nations might claim from time to time that they do, but the actions of those nations seem to indicate otherwise.
     
  10. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    I think actions tend to be more, don't piss off the US, and that they have no power to do anything about it.
     
  11. orogenicman

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    1) So what? Name one war that the Iranians started in the last 100 years? Just one.

    2) No one should have nukes. That's my opinion, and I am sticking to it. If you think having nukes is similar to owning a gun, then you are crazier than I originally supposed.

    3) Hot heads aren't controlling Israel. That's news to me.

    4) Did you look up Godwin's law?
     
  12. Gipper

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    Good Lord...give me strength...

    Iran is the leading pusher of terrorism in the world and has been since your beloved Jimma Carter unleashed Islamic fanaticism...but some think they are just nice sweet people minding their own business. Their leader denies the Holocaust and daily shouts death to the Jews, wants to bring about the return of the 12th Imam, asserts regularly that all Israel must be destroyed... But, don't pay any attention to that....he's just being silly.

    And in your mind, there is no difference between these two men...

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  13. BigRob

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    I think nations will put their security over "pissing off the US." You can see this in their actions now with Iran allegedly pursuing a weapon. Their security is threatened and they are reacting.

    Since this did not occur with the presence of an Israeli weapon, one has to assume they do not view Israel as the same level of security threat.
     
  14. pocketfullofshells

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    that has alot to do with the Sunni Shia power play, more then anything with the US I think...SA wants to be the big power..Iran is its rival...the USSR vs US of the middle east...with Israel being the bastard child with a big army no one likes and wants around.

    also there is the issue of nations tend to back off...when you have the nukes, vs when trying to get them...like North Korea....once they had them....all of the sudden it was everyone stops talking so tough...does not mean N K is less a threat
     
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    Still waiting for you to cite one single war they've started in the last 100 years. So Jimmy Carter unleashed Islamic fanaticism? That's a rather amusing, if idiotic, claim.
     
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