Students don't take school seriously...

I myself am currently in school, and I thought that it would be nice for you all to hear it from the child's mouth.

The reasons most children [so far as I know] dislike school is this:

1. The inability to contradict the teacher.

2. That it is called teaching, but you are not learning anything.

3. You are forced to go.

4. That free speech and thought are stifled.

5. That you are encouraged to view the police who come in as heros, even though many of us have had thier lives ruined by these people.

6. The inability to even leave a room without being punished.

7. The general ignorance and blind patriotism of the teachers.

8. Having to listen to old yuppies who think they are indian and black at the same time, and sing endless nature songs to us.

9. The inability to speak the truth.

10. The fact that your parents are punished for what you do.

11. The disgusting political correctness.

12. The fact that there are barriers keeping you in, and teachers who chase you if you try to leave.

And the list goes on...

I believe the list is endless..

I have noticed them getting dumber as I get older, for example, the security guard calls anyone who cusses a "dirt person".

You are absolutley correct. You are much too smart to waste your time in school. You should leave now and share your superior knowledge with the world. Your brain is too important to waste any more time in a school where the teachers are not smart enough to see how superior you are to them. Business and industry are waiting with wonderful and high paid postitions just for people like you. Adults have nothing to teach you. Both You and your teachers will be much happier; trust me.

When did I say anything that deserved sarcastic remarks? I never said anything about myself, I was just saying how awful that place was.

Or perhaps you think that I do not deserve my civil rights because you automatically think that anyone under 30 drinks, smokes marijuana, become pimps, burn factorys down, deliberalitly crash into people with our unlicensed cars, and whine about not getting toys.

I cannot possibly imagine were you would get the idea that I thought I was smarter than anyone else. You pull all of these ideas straight out of your a$$ because you are biased against a certain group of people and probably want to initiate a genocide against us just because you saw some of us mildly misbehaving.

I cannot possibly imagine either. How could I have gotten the idea that you were not one of those well behaved, respectful, wonderful kids that it is a pleasure to have in class. I must have pulled it out of my a$$.

"even though they should be considering it a privilege."

The universal education system is anything but a privilege, it's a failure of a system that is only there to best suit children into a specific job area, I don't see participating in a system that caters to the economy and nothing else as a privilege, I see it as an insult to knoweldge and to blame for the lack of experience with the real world children actually have.

Can you give specific examples of how the education system suits children in specific job areas? Math is generally used in all jobs and occupations and needed in everyday living. Chemistry likewise imparts a basic knowledge that is requisite to medicine (doctors, nurses, dental hygienists, machinists, cooks, etc.). History, is basic for understanding citizenship responsibilities for all persons regardless of their occupation/profession. English is a requirement for proper written and spoken communication without regard to the occupation. What would you add to school, or what would you want removed from the curriculum? Be specific, and give your rationalization.

I am respectful to teachers and, even though I do misbehave, they consider me absolutely charming. I do every peice of homework I get and have only recieved the hatred of one teacher and the security gaurd. If you consider anyone who asks about wether the system they live under works a hoodlum, then nearly everyone on this site is a hoodlum.

Most students who are respectful do not "misbehave", or receive the hatred (such a severe word), of even one teacher or security guard. Also, one wonders how many of your teachers would say they consider you "absolutely charming", if they had the opportunity.

What does, "works a hoodlum", mean?

Go ask. And the hateful teacher hates me because I said that I did not finish a assignment when he asked me were it was 2 years ago. I said that it didnt exist, so it wasnt anywere. He just started screaming at me and now we argue whenever we see each other.

As for the security guard, he is a hateful fundementalist who thinks I am an "unbaptized limb of satan".

I obviously said "anyone who questions wether society works". Either your mind is starting to go or you have to make things up because you cannot even argue with a 13 year old...

Yes, you are definitely "charming".

Did you mean: "...unbaptized lamb of Satan..."?

There is no difference between arguing with a 3 year old than there is arguing with a 13 year old.

Did you mean: "anyone who questions whether society works, is considered a hoodlum"? Your lack of writing skills results in posts that are barely decipherable, let alone "obvious".

What are you doing on an adult forum. Would you not be more comfortable on "facebook", or some other site that caters to children? What makes you think that you have anything to say that adults would want to hear?

Ofcourse I can, I should of done so in my last post but I was making it brief as I had to leave the house.

As far as categorizing children in the Universal education system into a Job area, this is slowly built up and the generalization first seen in the early years of the education system slowly begins to narrow down to a specific area of expertise that the child has decided to put their interest into which in turn leads to a Job in that area, work ethic is a strong influence in schools and i'm sure you realise that.

If I were to remove anything from the cirriculum it would be the worth ethic however please don't misunderstand me, I would not remove this because of the current world we live in, the way we live is exactly why the education system is failing, because of the fact that the economy and money makes the world go round the education system HAS to cater to this, it has no choice on the matter. This leads me to the economy, for a long time I have believed that the likes of a Resource Based Economy would be a much more efficient economy than the likes of the Monetary System governing it, there is many more ways to form a solution to take work ethic out of schools but that's what I believe to be the solution.

There is much more I don't agree with when it comes to the Universal Education System so if you'd like me to give you a few more reasons, just ask ;p

In some European education systems, from what I have been told by Europeans and exchange students, students are channeled into specific areas of employment. However, in the school in which I taught, there was no such selecting an area of specialization that was initiated by the school system. Some choose to take industrial arts classes, some take college prep classes. It was however, their own choice.

Can you give a specific example of how the American system (or the school system you are familiar with), where the system narrows the students choices down to a specific area?

Is there a class called: "work ethic"? Or, is that just a general concept that teachers stress as important in getting, holding, and being successful in employment? Are you suggesting that American schools are purposely producing workers for businesses at the detriment of the student?

Please be more specific. What classes are geared to producing workers, if that is what you mean.

It is true that the children in European Education Systems are channeled into a specific job area far more often than seen in the states, all i'm trying to say is that the Goal of any education system lies with the student recieving a Job which I don't believe is the correct priority for an education system to have.
An example where the system I am familiar with begins to channel you into different job areas is GCSE's here in the UK however in the states I am aware that you don't really have an equivalent of this but what i'm trying to emphasize here is the underlining goal of the education system.

As far as work ethic, no it's not a class I am aware off what I'm trying to get across is that it's instilled into the majority of subjects available in the education system, I do believe to a certain extent that the UNIVERSAL's education system not just the American Education System's main goal is to successfully prepare students for the economic world.
The education system pre-university dosen't get too specific when it comes to blatently obvious classes for employment but what i'm trying to stress is that a lot of subjects provided by the education system has an incredible amount of work ethic involved. This is most certainly the case in the school I attended and the case for many others I have spoken too including teachers.

It is plain that I did not invoke this conflict. It is almost entirely the teacher's fault.

No, I dont.

Well, 3 year olds are illiterate, and are unable to speak properly, and cannot understand anything about politics or anything that actually matters. Most of us just do not choose to understand these things.

Not having an "h" in a word like that does not create any need to decipher anything. You seem to understand everything else I am saying. And are you the same guy that keeps saying that yelling about spelling mistakes is a terrible way to argue?

Am I pointing out an obvious grammer mistake on your first sentence[look there is]? Yes, but I am not using it in my argument. I think facebook, myspace, and twitter are deseases. I only go on hotmail and political forums. What makes me think that an adult would want to hear what I have to say? They normally do, until they figure out my age. And that is because they are bigots.

No, you were responding like a wisea$$.

You also are illiterate, and unable to speak (write) properly, cannot understand anything about politics or anything that actually matters. You are too young to have the experience, and to have the knowledge base (which takes many years), to contribute to a political forum for adults except as an observer (not contributor except to ask questions). No thirteen year-old is.

But, here you are, on a political forum.

Your writing is full of errors and uses words that indicate a poverty of vocabulary, making it difficult to decipher as to intended meaning.

No junior, that was someone else.

I could not find that error to which you refer. Nevertheless, an error by itself is not indicative of lack of education or intelligence. However, continuous errors with no desire to learn and correct them is the mark of a dullard.

Yes, we (adults) have had extensive exposure to ill-mannered, undisciplined, over-indulged children who cannot perceive or understand the difference between an adult and a child. Go tell mommy the man is being mean to you.

The goal should be to cover all possible outcomes. Employment for those inclined be it industrial labor or business, college prep, entrepreneurship. Industrial arts classes relate to jobs in manufacturing. Computer classes, business classes relate to jobs in business. Advanced English (communication), science, math relate to those about to enter college. Business classes et.al. relate to those wishing to eventually start a business. There are classes in the arts, opportunities for experience in the theater, that can acquaint the student with careers in the arts. Many other classes, seek to make the student prepared for the process of living.
This is the American system in general. It seems to cover all the post-high school possibilities. The classes a student takes, other than those required by the system, are the choices of the student and/or his parents. Is there something that I have missed?

I had not realized that you were referring to the UK before reading your current post. What is: "GCSE's"?

In the most part it seems to be the goal. However, the student must have the means for making a living for his benefit. The school system would fail if it graduated people who did not have the requisite skills to be employable (read, write, math).

Yes, here in the U.S. it is stressed by the teachers also because potential employers state that is the most desirable characteristic looked for in a candidate for employment. There seems to be no market for persons who are not willing to work in an enthusiastic manner. Should schools convey the idea to the students that lack-luster performance is going to be acceptable to their potential employers?