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Racism Or Patriotism?

Discussion in 'Australian Politics' started by Reddie, Jul 23, 2015.

  1. Aus22

    Aus22 Well-Known Member

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    May I explain where the Racialism debate has moved in Australia. We have many aboriginal footballrs in excess of their proportion of the population (about3%) One Adam Goods has been very successful being made Australian of the year. He is very proud of his aboriginal heritage. When a young girl called him an ape he ask security to remove her. He did not know she was only 13.
    When he kick a goal he did an aboriginal war dance.
    AS a result of thi he attack by a section of the crowd by hissing or booing. The football leaders have ask this to stop as it is racial He took last week off and may be forced to retire. Other footballers have dressed in aboriginal colours to show their support. Spectators have taken the aboriginal flag to the games. But we this stop booing and is ir racially motivated?
     

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    It could be racially motivated or it could just be fans of the other team.
    Hissing and booing is not an attack. I routinely boo at the other team as well as referees and other officials.
    Nothing wrong with being passionate about one's teams.
    Now throwing things is a whole other thing.
     
  3. Aus22

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    Dagtower, This is the view by many that it is booing the opposition or referee. But when it is directed a one player and occurs all the time this is doubtful. Adam is returning next week and we will see.
     
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    There are lots of players who earn special attention. If this guy is particularly good that is reason enough. I believe you said he was pretty good.

    So many reasons to dislike an athlete I don't see why people jump at race first.
     
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    You are right. But this booing started only after he stood up for his rights. So it could be racial. .
     
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    What rights ?
    I know auspices love their sports much as we do here. Is it just possible that they don't care about rights and just want him to concentrate on playing ball ? People hate whiners.
    He has the right to play ball and I'll bet be paid handsomely to do so. Same with singers and actors.
    Pretty sure you're over thinking it.
     
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    When He was appointed Australian of the year he did make remakes about Aboriginal rights. His treatment of a 13 year girl who call him an ape and a war dance he perform has put his race to the for. Regardless of why people boo him, there is a campaign to stop it this weekend.
     

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    Well hope yall put this junk behind you and just play ball.
    But I was serious, what rights are witheld from aboriginal ?
     
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    aboriginals were not even mention in our Constitution until the 1960s. They were given the right to vote then. There is a move to acknowledge they were the original inhabitants in the Constitution. They do have most of the rights as other Australians. But they have the lowest education standards and have a higher proportion in jail then the rest of the population. I am not sure how this compares with your treatment of your original inhabitants. But it is an issue here.
     
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    >When a young girl called him an ape he ask security to remove her. He did not know she was only 13.

    I happen to read this story on another forum and the girl's mum insisted that her daughter did nothing wrong and the footballer should get used to this kind of insults often heard during matches. But it's sometimes necessary to stand up for what's right especially when you come across obnoxious people like the girl's family who cannot not tell right from wrong. I had a half Aboriginal teacher when I took an English course for graduate students in Australia and I made sure that she would lose her job over racist remarks she made during class.
     
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    That's a start but you still haven't said what rights they do not have that non aboriginal Australians have. Rich/poor educated or not are simply choices unless there are laws causing it that are specific to them.
    Natives here negotiated for exclusive control of the areas negotiated for. So by their choice they crafted their communities education etc. If it's inferior it's what they wanted.
    Things were not this way so much in the 1800s but we are far removed from that Era now.
     
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    The football match on Saturday went well. There was little booing of Goodes and much cheering. Both teams went though the same banner. There were many signs asking for respect.
    It is difficult to list the rights that Aboriginals lack. They don't live where did in the past. They are mainly in desert areas where the missions and reserves were. They do get abuse by some whites Their lack of good education is partly due to their location in remote areas. Also some are addicted to alcohol and petrol sniffing introduced by the whites.

    Third term I do not understand your post Was your teacher racial remarks due teacher standing up for her culture. Aboriginals have a different perspective on history than w do.
     

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    I don't remember exactly what she said back then but she was saying something what could be heard at the "patriotic" rallies mentioned in the OP. Her boyfriend was an IT worker from South Africa and she may have been repeating his words in class. Perhaps those with mixed ethnic heritage could go either way ideologically, depending on whom they hang out with, and she was probably ashamed of her Aboriginal heritage which she was trying to hide.
     
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    Glad the match was more sportsmanlike.
    Are aboriginals forbidden by law to move elsewhere ? That would be a right
    Choosing to be alcoholic is a right as well. If the law stated they were to drink a certain amount per day while whites were not, then you have unequal rights.
    For me you better not talk rights unless they actually are some.
     
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    I afraid drinking alcohol is deny to many aboriginals. Sometimes there is a ban on alcohol in their area or their income can not be used for alcohol.
    This is attempt to reduce alcoholism among them. They are not use to it and have little resistants . This has to be agree to by the local elders.

    Aboriginals can move but many have tribal allegiance to a particular area. They do not want to move.

    These are problems of two races that are so far apart in development. I do not know the answer but we must help tem .
     
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