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Racism Or Patriotism?

Discussion in 'Australian Politics' started by Reddie, Jul 23, 2015.

  1. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    So help them. But let's lose this characterization of rights.
    Our natives also like to drink and just as yours they have become quite used to it.
    They make many poor choices with these tribal agrements. But they did make the agreement and are stuck with the predictable outcomes
     
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    Dogtower, I agree that sometimes it is not rights we are talking bout. Those who favour restricting drinking for aboriginals are not taking rights away but trying to help them. Also they have the agreement of the tribal elders.

    However it must be born in mind that we took the land from the original inhabitants. They thought they own the land but we took it off them even killing some in the process. We can not undo this injustice but we have to acknowledge this. I had just read the Secret River by Kate Grenvile which is one of the few books that describes these events.
     

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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    Every place on earth has traded hands at least once. They allowed it to happen so tough luck for them.

    If they want to improve their lot in life then they will. Ask yourself why any of them would prefer this life ?
     
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    I agree we can not change history. We do need to help them. Acknowledge their original ownership and culture will only.
     
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    Help ? They don't appear to want help and I don't blame them. "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" are the scariest words ever.
    Ownership ? Nah. No point.
    Culture ? Sure,.why not ?
    Perhaps they should follow our native's lead and open casinos in their lands. Major cash cow. Mostly for organized crime that run them but free money and jobs otherwise.
     
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    I think the situation is different here than in your country , Our Aboriginals are mainly in remote areas so Casino would not work. They do work on tourist projects in more popular areas like Ayres Rock.
    We already acknowledge thier prior ownership each time we make a public speech. We are moving to put it in the Constitution. I agree it will not do much for us whites but it is apparently means much to the aboriginals. It should be pointed out they were here for 40,000 , longer than inhabitants of other continents. Also there was not an aboriginal war like your Indian war. There was some conflict between settlers and aboriginals but their numbers were mainly reduced by diseases and the inability of tier way of life competing against the whites.
     
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    You would be surprised the lengths people will go to gamble. Many Indian casinos are in the middle of n o where
     
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    my really good friend, who lives out west, will drive 9 hours almost every other weekend to Las Vegas. And he takes his wife with him, so I'm guessing its just the gambling he's going for.
     
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    Most likely
     
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    I agree people will travel miles for gambling. We do not have gambling places in our native reserves. But people still visit them. They control tourist spots likes Ayres Rock and Kings Canyon. They put on displays of dancing even in the cities. We acknowledge their original ownership of the land every time we have a public gathering> It was acknowledge in the Court Mabo ruling. At the moment our Prime Minister is visiting Mabo's. grave in the Torres island. The Torres straits is between Australia and New Guinea . They are not aboriginals but native to this area which is part of Australia.
     
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    Adan Goods was boo yesterday so it looks like yo can not stop it.
     
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    You're impatient Aus.
     
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    Imight be Impatient. One game went well but booing has return. People there said he was boo when kicking for goal "Every opposition player gets booed when kicking for goal. He was also boo when the umpire gave a decision in his favour "There was booing related to decisions in favour of Goodes by the umpire that were not just, Calm down". So perhaps I should calm down
     
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    Well you did point out he's a star player so it would not be unusual for him to be involved in significant game moments.
    But still, to expect sentiments to change 100% overnight is optomistic.
    See what things are like a year from now.
     
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    Adam Goods has retired now that his team has finished for the season.
     
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