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  1. Dr.Who Well-Known Member

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    You realize that the cost of individual policies is a function of insurance companies and politicians wanting everyone to be on group plans? Why use legislation to coerce people onto group plans at all (tax legislation in this case)? This is a loss of freedom. Get rid of the legislation that pushes people into group plans and the cost in general for all plans would drop. Stop the situation in whcih employers are the only viable source of a plan and the increased freedom and free markets would once again result in reasonable prices for health care. People might even choose group plans without coercion.

    Coverage for pre-existing conditions is an obomination of the contract system. Apply this thinking to other contracts and our whole system would fall apart. It IS only a matter of time before people start applying the concept to at least a few other types of contracts. How far will it go?

    There are much better ways to people with pre-existing conditions than to pervert contract law (unless the goal is universal single payer). The first goal should be to aim for reasonable health care costs. We COULD do it. The left rails against big corporations and in this case it is the big insurance companies that are in bed with politicians dooping the left. Obmacare just increased the number of people buying insurance! Without increasing the number of people able to get affordable health care.
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    The cost of individual vs. group insurance is more a function of being able to spread the risks around than anything else.

    But, you're correct that the solution is to have reasonable costs for everyone. Unfortunately, we don't have that. Obamneycare is not going to bring us reasonable costs either, but costs have been out of control for some time now.

    The core of the issue is that the USA has the most expensive health care system in the world.
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    The purpose for group insurance is explained here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_insurance

    Yep and yep. Irts not going to result in better costs, it is not going to result in any more people getting healthcare, and it is going to result in more gov red tape - so tell me again why did we do it?

    Not when looked at from a more nuanced perspective. We have better care than many and so obviously pay more for better. We also have more - more cosmetic surgery, more elective surgery, more frivolous operations, more private rooms, more new equipment, more short lines, ... and yes we pay more for more. We also don't hide the cost of medical care like they do in France for example where doctors tuition is paid for from a completely different source and not included in the cost of health care.

    Yes it is still more expensive than it should be. Insurance companies make a measly 4% profit so don't blame them. Doctors and hospitals likewise are not overpaid despsite what the commy profit haters will tell you. But congress does tend to meddle a lot and all that meddling does drive up costs.
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    here's a good way to bring down costs:

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    Still delusional about the "better care" in the US, I see!
    Well, I guess if you refuse to listen or even look at polls, or statistics, or any reasonable proof that doesn't meet your need, you can self-proclaim "better care" for the country were it cost 3 times as much per capita, although many individuals are not covered, and were our infant mortality as well as our life expectation is lower than most developed country in the world!

    And. . .how do you explain if insurance make a "measly 4% profit" that our insurance is so high?

    I'll give you a hint: the "profit" is calculated AFTER the golden handshakes, the huge bonuses, the luxury accomodations, the constant marketing assault, etc. . etc. . .

    Private health care insurance is the most inefficient industry in this country. Obviously, they won't "show" much profit, because they TAKE THEIR PROFITS before the balance sheet is drawn, so that they can LOWER THEIR TAXES LIABILITY.

    Mod edit: No personal attacks, please!

    Arrogance leads to your refusal to consider anything that might be uncomfortable to you. . .and it makes you, a person whom I think has a good potential for common sense and intelligence, as stupid as all those tea party moron holding up their signs that say "keep the government out of my medicare!"

    A public option would have resolved a LOT of the issues with the cost of insurance, because it would have given the for profit insurance REAL competition instead of allowing them to do price fixing.

    Mod edit: No personal attacks, please!

    Get real!
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    Multiple examples of insulting language being aimed directly at me rather than at the content of what I say.

    It is not a part of my religious beliefs to work hard to defend my rights but it is within my beliefs to think that those who are maligned can be helped by others or appeal for help. Anyone who wants to report that post can.
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    So, you can't do your dirty work yourself? Go for it, dear, I am certain that the dog will be more than happy to ban me one more time for telling the truth.
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    you can ban yourself with personal attacks as can every.poster on the board.
    if one follows the rules we all agreed to when we signed up, no worries.
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    I'd rather vote with my wallet as I trust the profit motive and competition to provide goods and services better, faster, and more efficiently than government. The HC companies cannot force me to purchase their policies, only government can do that. An insurance company cannot force me to cover the costs of treating people without HC insurance, only government can do that. Whatever hatred you have of business, they can't force you to do a damn thing but our elected "representatives" can.

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