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Madman or Terrorist in Sydney

Discussion in 'Australian Politics' started by Aus22, Dec 16, 2014.

  1. Texas_tea

    Texas_tea Well-Known Member

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    Texas I do not know enough about the suspect to know if they were terrorist or mad. They appear to be French Muslims who were incensed about the depiction of Mohammad in the cartoons. To them he may had been a prophet of God. But no person or object should be free of ridicule. We should respect the sensitive of others. If it is not only in Islam do objects or persons became too sacred to ridicule . Many countries belie attacking the leader or mistreating the flag is wrong even a crime.

    This does not justify the murders in Paris but all belief systems can lead to extremist acting on their behalf.
     

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    Nothing justifies murder. The cartoonist bullies should have had their arses kicked and given time to repent. In civilized societies they'd have been horsewhipped. The terrorist killing will be effective when the mobs have stopped the (totally safe) beating of their hollow chests, alas!
     
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    They were muslims .... doing what muslims do. That's about all you need to know about these animals.

    But, also, if you haven't heard, they are tied to a Yemeni terrorist group.

    Others should respect Free Speech especially in the context of satire. It is impossible not to offend someone somewhere all the time.

    Especially when it comes to these muslim animals who are in sensed or offended by everything that is not Sha'ria compliant.

    This satirical magazine made fun of all religions. Did the Catholics threaten them when they made fun of the Pope? How about when they mocked Judaism. Did the Jewish people proclaim a fatwa against them? What about the Hindus?

    You are simply making excuses for the murderous deeds of these animals. No other religion on this planet is responsible for the kinds of acts of terror that islam participates in.
     
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    I am making no excuses for these killings. They appear to be organized and not just the work of a madman. Catholics and Jews have killed in the past where they had the power to do so. All extremist are dangerous.
     
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    Perhaps you could list a few examples of kidnapping, murder, and rape being an active part of the mainstream Judaism or Catholicism.
     
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    To give examples of kidnapping, murder rand rape as an active part of mainstream Catholicism would be easy if you regard the Inquisition as mainstream. Many of the accused were kidnapped and put on trail.. These found guilty were handed over to the state for execution. Numbers are debatable. but they involved thousands at least. Some of these had the support of Popes . The IRA also commited similar crimes although they were not necessary main stream

    Jewish authorities had arrested and executive many Arabs in Palestine accused of various crimes like throwing stones.
    Both religion had had priest and rabies found guilty of rape .
    This does not prove that all religions are evil , just people can commit crimes in the name of any cause.
     
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    More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined. (source)

    More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th, 2001 than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. (source)

    Sorry Aus .....

    Either you are making excuses for the murderous deeds and agenda of this "religion" or you are simply ignorant to the subject.
     
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    Texas-tea It would have been helpful if you give me the source of your statements. It appears that you used a site "The Religion of Peace": Edited by Glen Roberts.
    As a Catholic I have always a said few got killed in the Spanish Inquisition. Wikepedia puts it at 821 which is less than the numbers listed on the site for some years. It claims that 30 are killed so far in 2015. But the problem do all these killers represent main stream Islam.
    It you include war death Brown University says 22250 lives were lost in wars since September 11.
    The issue is not about numbers . I just gave these examples to answer you question. Modern wars and acts of terrorism kill more than in the past because of better weapons.
    Of course we should be wary of terrorists but lumping them on one religion solves nothing. We can not eliminate Islam or even reform it from outside. In the end we must promote the more moderate and progressive forces.

    The question raised by Glen Roberts could have apply to many organizations in the past.
     
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    There is no "more moderate and progressive forces" ... that is your pacifist mind and liberal bleeding heart playing tricks on you.

    We have 2000 years of recorded history of religious insurgency from these animals. The only thing that will work now is the only thing that has worked in the past.

    These animals have to be cleansed from this planet from time to time.

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015...g-ruins-and-crying-widows-fighting-terrorism/
     
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    The history of most religions is that while conservative forces achieve more success at first the more liberal and educated forces eventually gain control. This has been shown in the Christian churches since the enlightenment. While an enlightenment seems far off in most Muslim countries, there are moderate forces that are moving un this direction. these we must support against the extremists.
     
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    As with American hate-and-spiters, the young men who get involved in terrorism are ignorant of Islam and pretty well everything else. If you treat people like shit, they will find a way to kick you back, that's all.
     
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    As I stated above. There are no moderate forces of islam. It is the same in every country, every state, every neighborhood. The only differences is in it's population numbers.

    You want "moderate" islam .... keep the population to less than 1%.
     
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    Even if you accept Texas statement that there are no Moderates in Islam, how are you going to keep the population in any country to less than 1%. This would required mass deportations in a country like France where the Muslim population is 10%.
    And what is Australia going to do about having the highest Muslim population in Indonesia on our doorstep. Move?

    Most of the French terrorist were not even practising Muslims a few years ago like the 9/11 bombers. They say they were link but one supports ISS the other al quaeda. Two extremist groups who do not work together.
     
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    But of course, the murder-rate achieved by 'Christian' politicians in the Muslim world is in the millions, and constantly rising. Wonderful how everyone 'Muslim' who kills is an example of his religion, murderous 'Christians' somehow not.
     
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