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Madman or Terrorist in Sydney

Discussion in 'Australian Politics' started by Aus22, Dec 16, 2014.

  1. Aus22

    Aus22 Well-Known Member

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    Last night a Shite cleric took many people as hostage in the heart of Sydney . He display a Muslim flag and made demands for an ISS flag and to speak to the Prime Minister He was called a self -styled Islamic State preacher by the newspaper. Was he a terrorist or just mad. Two of the hostages were killed. He was on charges of killing his wife, sex crimes and writing abusive letters to relatives of dead soldiers. Was he mad or really a State terrorist?
     

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    His lawyer says the cops had tortured him, which figures.
     
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    I guess it depends on how Australia defines "Islamic terrorism".

    Was he on a jihad and/or believe he was entitled to commit these violent acts against infidels?
     
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    Is there a difference between madmen and jihadis ?
     
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    I think it is important to determine if he was a terrorist or just a mad man. If he was a terrorist this would be the first act of terrorism on Australian soil. There have been massed shooting in the past by madmen but no terrorism link to Muslims.

    The motivation is also important. I have not heard he was tortured but he would claim to be persecuted. Even now many people are saying his grave should be violated. If he is judged an Islamic terrorist hatred for Muslims will increase..
    He was recognise by any organized group of Muslims, he may not had even been Sunni. But he was happy to ask for an ISS flag. Why does this group appealed to so many Australians
     
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    I think so. Jihadists aren't necessarily crazy, even though their actions seem crazy to us. Killing wives, raping women and murdering innocents is almost a normal event in some Islamic cultures and not always punished.
     
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    I hear ya Cru but just because everybody is doing it doesnt make it sane.
     
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    ter·ror·ism
    : the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal

    Didn't this muslim ask for the flag of ISIS? Does the flag of ISIS not represent a political group with a political goal?

    How could any normal thinking person not see this muslim as a terrorist?
     
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    Isis did ask for lone gunman but they were not involve in this incident. I do not know if he was a terrorist. There needs to b a further investigation. But he was mad. How did he get a gun and maybe a gun licence if he was either mad or a terrorist. The Australian government has started an inquiry.
     
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    So a mad man that commits terrorist acts has to be tied to ISIS to be considered a terrorist?
     
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    Texas no he does not be tied to ISIs to be a terrorist. There were plenty of terrorists before ISIS or even Muslims. Irish IRA terrorist for example. But they must have a political goal. I do not know his man has a consistent political goal.
     
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    He was a muslim. There is your proof of a political goal.
     
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    Texas What is the Muslim political l goal. Is it to unite the whole world under the Shite belief with Iran as its centre or to crate a Sunnie state as ISS wants? In the end most Muslims have rejected both goals. Those in Australia say they want to live in peace with others. Their leaders have attended church services and flower memorials for the victims. The Flowers laid by thousands indicate something different.
     

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    A great number of young Muslims, particularly in Europe, have spent their lives being bullied and put down by right-wing extremists. Like mambers of the Oxford Movement back in the Nineteenth Century, they find it pleasing to be irrational and become martyrs. That's adolescence !
     
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