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Big government always sucks. One would think all Americans would know this when considering its numerous failures.
Most all Americans oppose Obamacare. Only the sheeple who are unable to think for themselves and the die hard communist supporters are still supporting this monstrous program.

There is no defending this illegal government action called Obamacare. That is why you have sheeple come on here and try to defend it with ridiculous and untrue statements like "Tell me, just what is the Republican alternative to Obamacare?"
 
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Most all Americans oppose Obamacare. Only the sheeple who are unable to think for themselves and the die hard communist supporters are still supporting this monstrous program.

There is no defending this illegal government action called Obamacare. That is why you have sheeple come on here and try to defend it with ridiculous and untrue statements like "Tell me, just what is the Republican alternative to Obamacare?"

Yes...Obamacare is yet another example of an omnipresent ever powerful government imposing its will on the American people.

Amazingly many Americans are fine with it.
 
Yes...Obamacare is yet another example of an omnipresent ever powerful government imposing its will on the American people.

Amazingly many Americans are fine with it.
Illegally and unConstitutionally imposing it's will on the American people.

The "Americans" you speak of that support Obama and his unConstitutional Marxist policies are Communist supporters. There is no other reality of supporting Obama. He is an anti-American, anti-Constituion Marxist.

Either one supports Obama knowingly of who he is and what is policies are, which makes them an open supporter of Communism or one supports Obama unknowingly of the reality who he is and what is policies are, making them an useful IDIOT!

Either way, Obama supporters are supporting Communism.
 
Illegally and unConstitutionally imposing it's will on the American people.

The "Americans" you speak of that support Obama and his unConstitutional Marxist policies are Communist supporters. There is no other reality of supporting Obama. He is an anti-American, anti-Constituion Marxist.

Either one supports Obama knowingly of who he is and what is policies are, which makes them an open supporter of Communism or one supports Obama unknowingly of the reality who he is and what is policies are, making them an useful IDIOT!

Either way, Obama supporters are supporting Communism.

I always have to laugh when people like you express an opinion with a total lack of knowledge of what they are speaking of. YOU support the destruction of the United States with your support of corporatism, globalism, etc., and yet want to blame others for what you are responsible for. You have no idea of just how much of a "useful idiot" you really are.

Just out of curiousity, can you name ONE country that was taken over by communism with socialist programs? Name one if you can.

Now, come to the realization that NO COMMUNIST COUNTRY was conceived with socialist programs. ALL WERE CREATED BY VIOLENT REVOLUTIONS. The Soviet Union, China, Cuba, No. Korea, Vietnam, etc.

Unfortunately you think of yourself as a "patriot" when in reality you are a cross between Hitlers Fascism, and Marx's Communism:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfla...ler-and-exploding-the-biggest-lie-in-history/
 
Yes...Obamacare is yet another example of an omnipresent ever powerful government imposing its will on the American people.

Amazingly many Americans are fine with it.

If you were the victim of the corporate takeover that occurred in 2008, lost your home, lost your health insurance, lost your job, then found out you had cancer, would you not be happy too?

Or do we just let the poor die off as they used to do in Roman times, or Greek times? Perhaps we should just build plots outside of town, and place the sick there to die. That's what they do with babes who survive abortions.

Just a few verses for teabaggers to think about:

Psa. 82:3 Give fair judgment to the poor man, the afflicted, the fatherless, the destitute.
Prov. 14:31 Anyone who oppresses the poor is insulting God who made them. To help the poor is to honor God.

Prov28:27 If you give to the poor, your needs will be supplied! But a curse upon those who close their eyes to poverty.

Prov22:9 Happy is the generous man, the one who feeds the poor.

Isa. 58:7-10 I want you to share your food with the hungry and bring right into your own homes those who are helpless, poor, and destitute. Clothe those who are cold, and don’t hide from relatives who need your help. If you do these things, God will shed his own glorious light upon you. He will heal you; your godliness will lead you forward, goodness will be a shield before you, and the glory of the Lord will protect you from behind. Then, when you call, the Lord will answer. ‘Yes, I am here,’ he will quickly reply. All you need to do is to stop oppressing the weak and stop making false accusations and spreading vicious rumors! Feed the hungry! Help those in trouble! Then your light will shine out from the darkness, and the darkness around you shall be as bright as day.
 
If you were the victim of the corporate takeover that occurred in 2008, lost your home, lost your health insurance, lost your job, then found out you had cancer, would you not be happy too?

Or do we just let the poor die off as they used to do in Roman times, or Greek times? Perhaps we should just build plots outside of town, and place the sick there to die. That's what they do with babes who survive abortions.

Just a few verses for teabaggers to think about:

Psa. 82:3 Give fair judgment to the poor man, the afflicted, the fatherless, the destitute.
Prov. 14:31 Anyone who oppresses the poor is insulting God who made them. To help the poor is to honor God.

Prov28:27 If you give to the poor, your needs will be supplied! But a curse upon those who close their eyes to poverty.

Prov22:9 Happy is the generous man, the one who feeds the poor.

Isa. 58:7-10 I want you to share your food with the hungry and bring right into your own homes those who are helpless, poor, and destitute. Clothe those who are cold, and don’t hide from relatives who need your help. If you do these things, God will shed his own glorious light upon you. He will heal you; your godliness will lead you forward, goodness will be a shield before you, and the glory of the Lord will protect you from behind. Then, when you call, the Lord will answer. ‘Yes, I am here,’ he will quickly reply. All you need to do is to stop oppressing the weak and stop making false accusations and spreading vicious rumors! Feed the hungry! Help those in trouble! Then your light will shine out from the darkness, and the darkness around you shall be as bright as day.

Emotional reasoning is not rational, but it is typical of the Left.

If you are against Obamacare, you want the poor to die....what total and complete *********. You have been completely co opted by the Left, if you really believe this. Obamacare will not HELP the poor...it will HURT the poor.

Lets see now...not long ago Americans did not have a powerful omnipresent centralized government and yet America was a wonderful place to live. Back then there was no medicare, social security, medicaid, Obamacare, etc......all big government FAILURES.

If you are against these socialist programs, you want the poor to die.:rolleyes:o_O:confused::confused::confused:
 
Trap, perhaps you can point out in your scriptural passages where it calls for government to do any of this charity. of course it does not. it calls upon people to do so. and for good reason. government has no soul as so is of no interest to God. and more practically speaking, government has no resources save what it seizes from people. you may want to further consider that you dont know what anyone online does of a chartitable nature.
 
Emotional reasoning is not rational, but it is typical of the Left.

If you are against Obamacare, you want the poor to die....what total and complete *********. You have been completely co opted by the Left, if you really believe this. Obamacare will not HELP the poor...it will HURT the poor.

Lets see now...not long ago Americans did not have a powerful omnipresent centralized government and yet America was a wonderful place to live. Back then there was no medicare, social security, medicaid, Obamacare, etc......all big government FAILURES.

If you are against these socialist programs, you want the poor to die.:rolleyes:o_O:confused::confused::confused:

No, emotional reasoning is more of your argument then mine. Mine was a rational way to attempt to explain why so many support Obamacare. They, like everyone else, want to live. They want their ailments cured. It is not something that should be reserved only for those who can afford it.

Now, just how will Obamacare hurt the poor, and emotional tactic if any? It may "hurt" the wealthy through higher premiums. Do you know what makes Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, "failures"? The 20-40% fraud being perpetrated by unethical doctors, hospitals,m pharmaceuticals, insurance companies, etc. Not the poor.

Then too, in your emotional rant, you fail to explain just how the poor would be taken care of if not for social programs. God knows the wealthy will not care for them, and God knows people like yourself will not care for them. So, what is left?

Do you want to go back to the time when things were better with a smaller government? That would be before the Great Depression when people actually acted like Christians, where Church's actually had funds to provide for the poor, where CEO's were satisfied with taking home 40-50 times what their employees earned, not the 500 times we see now. Back to a time when the employer actually provided healthcare, and a pension.

As I said before, if you want smaller government you will need to change the hearts of man, and somehow curb issues such as greed, and selfishness, and bring back shame.
 
No, emotional reasoning is more of your argument then mine. Mine was a rational way to attempt to explain why so many support Obamacare. They, like everyone else, want to live. They want their ailments cured. It is not something that should be reserved only for those who can afford it.

Now, just how will Obamacare hurt the poor, and emotional tactic if any? It may "hurt" the wealthy through higher premiums. Do you know what makes Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, "failures"? The 20-40% fraud being perpetrated by unethical doctors, hospitals,m pharmaceuticals, insurance companies, etc. Not the poor.

Then too, in your emotional rant, you fail to explain just how the poor would be taken care of if not for social programs. God knows the wealthy will not care for them, and God knows people like yourself will not care for them. So, what is left?

Do you want to go back to the time when things were better with a smaller government? That would be before the Great Depression when people actually acted like Christians, where Church's actually had funds to provide for the poor, where CEO's were satisfied with taking home 40-50 times what their employees earned, not the 500 times we see now. Back to a time when the employer actually provided healthcare, and a pension.

As I said before, if you want smaller government you will need to change the hearts of man, and somehow curb issues such as greed, and selfishness, and bring back shame.

You have stated that those who wish to repeal Obamacare, want the poor to die. This a blatantly foolish EMOTIONALISM...but it fits nicely with what the lib media and the D party are saying. You have been duped and don't know it.

Obamacare will force the working poor to pay for HC coverage. It will force employers of low wage operations to fire workers...thus hurting the working poor. That is just for starters...and we all know (you excluded) that the unintended consequences of liberalism are ALWAYS heinous...so it likely will cause much greater harm to the poor. FORCE!....is it not wonderful how our government uses FORCE against its citizens???

You claim Obamacare will hurt the wealthy through higher premiums. But, you fail to realize it will HURT ALL Americans including the middle class and working poor.

You bitch about the failures of our social programs being caused by fraud...yet your beloved Obama and his party have done NOTHING to stop the fraud. When will you realize they are party to the fraud?

America existed for decades without your beloved socialist programs and did very well. It can again.
 
You have stated that those who wish to repeal Obamacare, want the poor to die. This a blatantly foolish EMOTIONALISM...but it fits nicely with what the lib media and the D party are saying. You have been duped and don't know it.

Again you fail to comprehend what I said in favor of what you wanted me to say.

"Or do we just let the poor die off as they used to do in Roman times, or Greek times? Perhaps we should just build plots outside of town, and place the sick there to die. That's what they do with babes who survive abortions."

Obamacare will force the working poor to pay for HC coverage. It will force employers of low wage operations to fire workers...thus hurting the working poor. That is just for starters...and we all know (you excluded) that the unintended consequences of liberalism are ALWAYS heinous...so it likely will cause much greater harm to the poor. FORCE!....is it not wonderful how our government uses FORCE against its citizens???

Employers are being exempted from the rules at all levels, and the poor are going to be subsidized for their payments based on their income. Having said that, employers have been eliminating the healthcare benefit from their packages for decades. At the time of Reagan over 80% of employers provided heathcare as a benefit to employment. Now the number is down to 18%, and of those most do not cover the entire family, or have co-pays.

You claim Obamacare will hurt the wealthy through higher premiums. But, you fail to realize it will HURT ALL Americans including the middle class and working poor.

And you fail to give any logical reason as to why that should be.

You bitch about the failures of our social programs being caused by fraud...yet your beloved Obama and his party have done NOTHING to stop the fraud. When will you realize they are party to the fraud?

If you were to do a reality check you would find that Obama has actually prosecuted more of these fraud cases then Bush did. Of course, the right wing will NEVER mention that:

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...ord-medicare-fraud-recovery-article-1.1286388

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/02/13/attacking-medicare-fraud-saves-billions-year-row.html

The Feds recovered $4.2 billion of taxpayers’ money last year from legal proceedings, settlements and penalties. In 2011, joint efforts to attack Medicare fraud resulted in a record of $4.1 billion dollars. That is compared to the $2.86 billion recovered in 2010 before Obama’s policies to attack Medicare Fraud existed.

In May 2012, Medicare Strike Force teams charged 107 people, including licensed health care professionals in seven cities, who were allegedly involved in schemes involving over $452 million in false billing.

In 2011, the same teams charged 115 people, including health care professionals, companies and executives for suspected participation in Medicare fraud schemes that involved over $240 million in false billing. In another case, 91 suspects were charged for their alleged involvement in a Medicare fraud scheme that involved $290 million + in false billings.

America existed for decades without your beloved socialist programs and did very well. It can again.


Sorry, but you fail again. I support NO socialist programs, just the truth of the issue. You ignore truth based on your own hatred for Obama, and government. The greater threat to the country is corporatism, a form of socialism that creates de-facto monopolies in virtually every industry from trucking, to farming, to oil, to whatever. When we had the resemblance of a people controlled Republic things did go well. However, when the church's, the local community, the people, acquiesced their power to the government then things began to fall apart.

Dog above mentions Christ speaking fo how the people should care for others, not the government. How is that accomplished when the people have little to no concern about the teachings of Christ? Even the church's have become social gathering places, not places of worship. Pastors are now as greedy as any CEO of a corporation as those such as Joel Osteen, or Pat Robertson, consistently prove. People are more apt to get help in a bar then in a church.

The ONLY way that America can once again become great is if it returns to its roots. And all evidence shows that will not happen. Two articles you should look up, an dread. One was titled "Employment Gap Between Rich and Poor Widest On Record", another is "Americans Believe They Are Low Income".

Then there is this one:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national...at-again-we-need-to-leave-the-country/259653/

So the American people think our democracy doesn't work. But there are also many objective signs that it's failing. One is that Americans don't vote as much as citizens of most other countries, including developing countries. In 2010, only 37.5 percent voted in Congressional elections. There are signs that young people are voting less than they used to. Why? As Rock the Vote found in a 2010 poll, it is very simple: Because they think it doesn't matter who wins, that no real change is possible. They think the power of special interests is simply too great. And they are right.

One of the strongest indications of American democratic dysfunction is pervasive and expanding poverty. It is not just its existence in the richest country on earth that is shameful, but its utter absence from political discourse. Most of the poor don't vote; they have largely given up hope. And what national politician talks about poverty? Can you name any?

America is moving toward the kind of bifurcated society we used to deride in banana republics--rich getting richer in gated communities, while the poor grow poorer, barely seen in segregated urban ghettos and hidden rural decay. Over 20 million Americans live in extreme poverty. One in 50 Americans' only income is food stamps. Add the poor and the near-poor--that is under $44K for a family of four--and you have more than 100 million people.

The richest country in the world now has the highest rate of child poverty in the developed world. The U.S. has gone from being relatively egalitarian to one of the most unequal countries in the world.

And mobility from the poor to the middle class is not as open to anyone of talent and ambition as it once was; demographers and sociologists all agree on this. Americans now have less upward mobility--and those born privileged have less downward mobility--than in many of the formerly aristocratic countries our ancestors fled from.
 
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