Do liberal or conservative ideas work better?

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The most basic difference between conservatives and modern liberals is:

Modern liberals believe that the most prosperity can be achieved when a country's economy is centrally planned and controlled, by an educated group with access to lots of information, statistics etc.

But conservatives believe that the millions of mostly-independent transactions of the free market, will achieve the greatest prosperity of the country.

Sowell points out some of the reasons why the latter is likely correct.

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http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2010/07/27/how_smart_are_we/page/full

How Smart Are We?

by Thomas Sowell

Many of the wonderful-sounding ideas that have been tried as government policies have failed disastrously. Because so few people bother to study history, often the same ideas and policies have been tried again, either in another country or in the same country at a later time-- and with the same disastrous results.

One of the ideas that has proved to be almost impervious to evidence is the idea that wise and far-sighted people need to take control and plan economic and social policies so that there will be a rational and just order, rather than chaos resulting from things being allowed to take their own course. It sounds so logical and plausible that demanding hard evidence would seem almost like nit-picking.

In one form or another, this idea goes back at least as far as the French Revolution in the 18th century. As J.A. Schumpeter later wrote of that era, "general well-being ought to have been the consequence," but "instead we find misery, shame and, at the end of it all, a stream of blood."

The same could be said of the Bolshevik Revolution and other revolutions of the 20th century.

The idea that the wise and knowledgeable few need to take control of the less wise and less knowledgeable many has taken milder forms-- and repeatedly with bad results as well.

One of the most easily documented examples has been economic central planning, which was tried in countries around the world at various times during the 20th century, among people of differing races and cultures, and under government ranging from democracies to dictatorships.

The people who ran central planning agencies usually had more advanced education than the population at large, and probably higher IQs as well.

The central planners also had far more statistics and other facts at their disposal than the average person had. Moreover, there were usually specialized experts such as economists and statisticians on the staffs of the central planners, and outside consultants were available when needed. Finally, the central planners had the power of government behind them, to enforce the plans they created.

It is hardly surprising that conservatives, such as Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in Britain and President Ronald Reagan in the United States, opposed this approach. What is remarkable is that, after a few decades of experience with central planning in some countries, or a few generations in others, even communists and socialists began to repudiate this approach.

As they replaced central planning with more reliance on markets, their countries' economic growth rate almost invariably increased, often dramatically. In the largest and most recent examples-- China and India-- people by the millions have risen above these countries' official poverty rates, after they freed their economies from many of their suffocating government controls.

China, where famines have repeatedly ravaged the country, now has a problem of obesity-- not a good thing in itself, but a big improvement over famines.

This has implications far beyond economics. Think about it: How was it even possible that transferring decisions from elites with more education, intellect, data and power to ordinary people could lead consistently to demonstrably better results?

One implication is that no one is smart enough to carry out social engineering, whether in the economy or in other areas where the results may not always be so easily quantifiable. We learn, not from our initial brilliance, but from trial and error adjustments to events as they unfold.

Science tells us that the human brain reaches its maximum potential in early adulthood. Why then are young adults so seldom capable of doing what people with more years of experience can do?

Because experience trumps brilliance.

Elites may have more brilliance, but those who make decisions for society as a whole cannot possibly have as much experience as the millions of people whose decisions they preempt. The education and intellects of the elites may lead them to have more sweeping presumptions, but that just makes them more dangerous to the freedom, as well as the well-being, of the people as a whole.
 
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That is another excellent column by the master.

Yet, the left does not agree with one word of it.

I have always thought leftists fail to learn anything from history so they always make the same mistakes over and over and over.......................

Plus they think the intellectual leftist elites should have all the power over all of us.
 
That is another excellent column by the master.

Yet, the left does not agree with one word of it.

I have always thought leftists fail to learn anything from history so they always make the same mistakes over and over and over.......................

Plus they think the intellectual leftist elites should have all the power over all of us.



Either the "conservatives" have failed to see the same, or there are very few Conservatives.

Of course, one could say that the corporations have become the "ruling class", the legislators are their pawns, and the people are little more then serfs conditioned to accept whatever each decides they "deserve".
 
Here's the difference between a liberal and a conservative.

A liberal will take you out to dinner and while in the middle of the main course will tell you flat out they plan to take you home and screw you. So automatically you know what to expect.

A conservative on the other hand will do the exact opposite. Instead they will take you out to dinner and in the middle of the main course(and while your not looking) will drop a roofie in your drink, take you home and screw you then after they are done wake you up and tell you that's it your fault you got screwed.


So either way which ever ideologue you believe in your screwed!!!:D
 
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Really people, listen to Pockets. And if you don't believe him, just look at California, the poster child for failed liberal policies. Of course, libs are looking out for themselves. They want laws passed to have the government pay for everything when their stupid policies don't work.
 
Really people, listen to Pockets. And if you don't believe him, just look at California, the poster child for failed liberal policies. Of course, libs are looking out for themselves. They want laws passed to have the government pay for everything when their stupid policies don't work.

Cali is what happens when voters vote on evrything, and don't have politicians do there jobs...Vote against all taxes...vote for all spending....then blame politicians for the problems....
 
A conservative on the other hand will do the exact opposite. Instead they will take you out to dinner and in the middle of the main course(and while your not looking) will drop a roofie in your drink, take you home and screw you then after they are done wake you up and tell you that's it your fault you got screwed

Lol.

Sounds like a guy who knows he has nothing to offer a woman that she can't buy in a store that doesn't open its mouth and say stupid sh**. Sounds like a liberal.
 
Cali is what happens when voters vote on evrything, and don't have politicians do there jobs...Vote against all taxes...vote for all spending....then blame politicians for the problems....

I'm glad you agree with me. Yes, this is the way of liberals. Lol.
 
Lol.

Sounds like a guy who knows he has nothing to offer a woman that she can't buy in a store that doesn't open its mouth and say stupid sh**. Sounds like a liberal.

Nah I'm Independent. You know the ones you Lib's and Con's can't run the country with out? Also a proud Moderate by the way which probably scares the hell out of you that people like myself like to sit on the fence and watch the left and the right cut each others throats. You see we in the center have a purpose after all. It's to watch the politically inept like yourself along with your liberal friends kill each other off. It's quite entertaining I might say and you guys have done a helluva job in polarizing America:D
 
Nah I'm Independent. You know the ones you Lib's and Con's can't run the country with out? Also a proud Moderate by the way which probably scares the hell out of you that people like myself like to sit on the fence and watch the left and the right cut each others throats. You see we in the center have a purpose after all. It's to watch the politically inept like yourself along with your liberal friends kill each other off. It's quite entertaining I might say and you guys have done a helluva job in polarizing America:D

I don't think so.

Did you vote for BO and still think he is doing a good job? If this is true, you are no moderate.

Many moderates are really libs. They are just too chickensh*t to admit it.

And usually when one tries to straddle the middle of the road, one gets their ass run over....which is exactly what BO did to moderates.
 
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Nah I'm Independent. You know the ones you Lib's and Con's can't run the country with out? Also a proud Moderate by the way which probably scares the hell out of you that people like myself like to sit on the fence and watch the left and the right cut each others throats. You see we in the center have a purpose after all. It's to watch the politically inept like yourself along with your liberal friends kill each other off. It's quite entertaining I might say and you guys have done a helluva job in polarizing America

Well news flash brainiac, I'm not a Republican either. I was in my youth, but am also an Independent. I don't like the Republican platform much, but I can't stand those who kiss the ass of those who have no love for America, but bash anyone who believes in God, and the "evils" of faith in anything but mankind. All libs can do is look into the relatively recent past and apply labels to anyone who doesn't agree with them. I would gander that a great number of democrats, namely the minority populations among voters, don't know ANYTHING about the history of this country back to its inception and the qualities of the people that made this country great. Libs are going to send this country into third world status with their idiot "we want the world to like us" mentality.
Libs are dreamers.

I didn't polarize Arizona. The Mexicans did that, and those who do love this country will pay along with those who used their 15 minutes of fame to assert their loyalty to the Mexican people instead of this country.
 
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