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Chinas way of conquering the world

Discussion in 'Asian Politics' started by Walter, Nov 27, 2017.

  1. BigRob

    BigRob Well-Known Member

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    You stated:
    "That is what Trump, and the Republicans, want. A one world government led by the US, Russia, and China, with Trump as "king" of the US, and the Republican party as the controllers of the masses."

    I'll define that as "delusion" if we don't want to call it a "lie".
     
  2. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    You can define it any way you want to, however, it is neither. Trump is a globalist, and a nationalist, by his own words. He caters to both Russia, and China, who will never support a democracy, or anything resembling it. He also caters to dictators like Erdogan of Turkey, and Duterte of The Philippines. If you pay close attention Trump has never sanctioned Russia for their actions in spite of them being approved by the Congress, and he has done nothing to China for their actions. Nor will he.
     
  3. The Scotsman

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    The Eurostar business model is interesting in that it competes with the airlines on a "hub to hub" basis. For example it competes with the likes of Air France and BA for the hub to hub passengers from say London to Paris or Brussels to London direct - in that the trains do not stop at intermediate stations (save Ashford or Ebbsfleet) and has new dedicated high speed lines. Eurostar rents the tracks and infrastructure from Network Rail in the UK and SNCF in France and on these "hub to hub" routes they do make money; IF you discount the massive investment that Transmache et al had the building of the tunnel.

    The business model runs into difficulties when you look at the ICE trains in Germany which try and be all things to everyone i.e. they try and operate a "point to point" service on their hi-speed ICE trains which are not that well built and run on predominately older tracks with many stops. They are having issues with this model in that advertising a hi-speed service is crippled by the constant stopping and the operating issues with track and the decrepit systems around, Mannheim, Frankfurt and Darmstadt for example and trains themselves, although the ICE3 are a lot better than the ICE2.

    Germany has relied on technology in their trains whereas the French have provided top notch infrastructure and IMHO the French have the best system although the trains are not as advanced as the Germans. In terms of the American sutuation they will have to structure their approach on how they percieve their model and how they view the airline model are they going point to point or hub to hub and are they willing to invest astronomical amounts on infrastructure? The airlines provide an interesting view which the railways need to look at.

    In any event the OP is about China and their "silk road" project which I think has nothing to do with making money for the trains or their routes but more about political influence and influencing markets in order to provide access for their goods to those markets easier and faster by "giving" countries along its route free infrastructure in exchange for access to its economic and political influence. I guess pretty much the same way as Russia tried to do with the gas pipelines into Europe.
     
  4. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    You might want to read this too:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...global-ambition-could-split-the-world-economy

    "After the fall of the Berlin Wall, many economists and policymakers assumed the world would become one happy, prosperous economy. Aided by the spread of capitalism and technology, countries would be increasingly knit together by trade, finance, and the internet. There would, of course, be the occasional setback—such as the 2008 financial crisis. But ultimately the forces of globalization would prove irresistible and ever-tighter integration inevitable.

    A serious obstacle has emerged to that vision. It’s not Donald Trump’s threat of trade wars or Brexit or terrorism. It’s China.

    If we tease out the trends taking shape in China and its relations with the U.S. and other developed countries, we can foresee an unhealthy schism forming and widening in coming years. The global economy could be split into two giant parts. One would be centered in the U.S. and the European Union; the other would revolve around China.

    Listening to the rhetoric streaming out of Beijing, it’s easy to believe that China remains intent on melding itself into the global economy. In his speech to open the latest Communist Party congress, President Xi Jinping promised to give foreign companies wider access to China’s markets and protect their rights and interests. “China will not close its door to the world; it will only become more and more open,” he told the delegates. Xi has also painted himself as a champion of free trade and an international statesman, eager to take the lead on global issues such as climate change, in contrast to an isolationist, “America First” Trump.

    Don’t be fooled. The problem with Xi’s version of globalization is he wants to control it. Instead of integrating China into the existing world order, he is creating a separate economic bloc, with different dominant companies and technologies, and governed by rules, institutions, and trade patterns dictated by Beijing."
     
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  6. reedak

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    For some reasons, I doubt very much whether the Chinese initiative is workable at all in the end. If you are convinced that it is the way for China to conquer the world, you might as well urge the US administration to start a similar project by the name such as "One Tie, One Trail" to connect the US first with Canada, the Caribbean and all South American countries. Later, the US can extend the project eastward to Europe, Africa and the Middle East, and westward to Japan, South Korea, China, Siberia, ASEAN, New Zealand, Australia and India. Instead, we find Uncle Sam retreating into isolation and promising to build a "big, beautiful wall" at the Mexican border.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/19/trump-wants-to-build-30-foot-high-wall-at-mexican-border.html

    http://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/trail-of-tears
     
  7. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    Have you ever heard of the Pan-American highway?
     
  8. The Sage of Main Street

    The Sage of Main Street Well-Known Member

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    Ride the Tiger

    Why don't the superpowers unite against the Third World, instead of acting like fraternity bullies looking for a fight?
     
  9. The Sage of Main Street

    The Sage of Main Street Well-Known Member

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    Feralphiles and Fairyphiles

    Under the Campus Commie Scum from the 60s, BIG BROTHERHOOD IS WATCHING YOU.
     
  10. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    They already are, and are trying to bring their slave mentality to America.
     
  11. reedak

    reedak Well-Known Member

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    1. The first-ever freight train, a 2-container train, around 600 metres (656 yards) long, left the vast London Gateway container port laden with whisky, soft drinks and baby products, bound for Yiwu on the east coast of China. It was seen off on its 18-day, 12,000-kilometre (7,500-mile) mammoth journey along a modern-day "Silk Road" trade route with a string quartet, British and Chinese flags, and speeches voicing hope that it will cement a new golden age of trade between the two countries as Brexit negotiations loom. The train went through the Channel Tunnel before travelling across France, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Belarus, Russia and Kazakhstan before heading into China in 18 days.

    To see the map of the silk route trains, please refer to https://www.seat61.com/SilkRoute.htm

    2. As a comparison with the modern-day "Silk Road", let us look at the Pan-American Highway. Please note that it is not a rail route, but a connected highway system linking the US with Canada with almost all of the Pacific coastal countries of the Americas. It passes through many diverse climates and ecological types, from dense jungles, to arid deserts. Unfortunately, some of the regions are passable only during the dry season, and in many regions driving is occasionally hazardous. Most unfortunate of all, because of a rainforest break of approximately 160 km (100 mi), called the Darién Gap, it is not possible to cross between South America and Central America, alternatively being able to circumnavigate this terrestrial stretch by sea. The 60-mile Darién Gap leaves the Pan-American Highway forever incomplete.

    3. My friend, please note that the Pan-American Highway is not a trading route but a motorhome route. To create another great trade story, the US administration has to build a rail route to connect the US with Canada and all South and Central American countries. Then trains can carry cotton and other goods along the world's longest railway (Let's call it the "Cotton Route" as opposed to the "Silk Route") from and to the US throughout the entire American continent. From the American continent, the US can extend its global trading power eastward and westward with the "Tie and Trail" initiative as opposed to China's "Belt and Road" initiative.

    Perhaps some years down the road, there will be a US presidential candidate who is not interested to leave behind the "Great Wall of America" as his legacy of being America's Qin Shi Huang. Then he may use the "Cotton Route" and the "Tie and Trail" initiative as his slogans and grandiose plans to "conquer the world" in his election campaigns.

    https://www.cntraveler.com/story/th...s-the-pan-american-highway-forever-incomplete

    http://brilliantmaps.com/pan-american-highway/

    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/first-silk-road-train-britain-leaves-china-001450249.html

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/10/first-silk-road-train-britain-leaves-china/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-American_Highway

    http://www.dangerousroads.org/south-america/colombia/79-darien-gap-colombia.html

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/chinas-new-silk-road-europe-will-leave-america-behind/

    https://www.thoughtco.com/qin-shi-huang-first-emperor-china-195679
     
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  12. reedak

    reedak Well-Known Member

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    As I have pointed out in my previous posts, the way for America to counter Xi's version of globalization and not to be fooled by the Chinese ruler is to build the "Cotton Route" and implement the "Tie and Trail" initiative.
     
  13. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    You do understand that aside from the Pan-American we have shipping, and air, travel, right? Go to your local grocery store and see how much of the produce comes from Guatamala, Ecuador, Brazil, etc. Also, I would suggest you actually do some research on how much trucking is done on the Pan-American, and even the "Ice Highway" to the oil fields. Yes, the entirety of the highway is stopped by environmental situations, still, it is over 9,000 miles long.

    As to East-West, we do have the interstate system which you seem to ignore, and again we have the ocean "trails" that ship millions of tons of goods each year to Asia, or Europe.
     
  14. reedak

    reedak Well-Known Member

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    As you have pointed out, America has shipping and air travel. So have all other countries, including China. Isn't it stupid for China to implement the "One Belt, One Road" initiative when it can rely on its existing shipping and air travel system? Then what's all this fuss about China "conquering the world" with the "One Belt, One Road" initiative?
     
  15. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    The same reason Eisenhower built the interstate highway system:

    https://www.military.com/daily-news...road-strategy-why-geography-still-matter.html

    Then there is economic control:

    https://monthlyreview.org/2017/01/01/one-belt-one-road/

    Tell me something. It took me about ten seconds to find these two articles. Why is it that people such as yourself who claim to have so much interest in the topic cannot do the same?
     
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