California Proposition 8

[top gun]

Siho may be listening to the wrong end of the horse.

She's sniffin' something!

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

She's sniffin' something!

As I watch her posts evolve she seems to have moved from the merely "fuzzy" into eccentric, then peculiar, and now she's drifting into the truly strange.

Sometimes it's as if people are so afraid that they will cling to any scapegoating kind of idea no matter how absurd if it shifts the blame onto people that can then be marginalized as "them". It's the process of going from the sublime to the ridiculous in an attempt make a division between oneself and what is perceived as the "crazyness" of the outside world. The ultimate "us and them" dichotomy.

 

[top gun]

As I watch her posts evolve she seems to have moved from the merely "fuzzy" into eccentric, then peculiar, and now she's drifting into the truly strange.

Sometimes it's as if people are so afraid that they will cling to any scapegoating kind of idea no matter how absurd if it shifts the blame onto people that can then be marginalized as "them". It's the process of going from the sublime to the ridiculous in an attempt make a division between oneself and what is perceived as the "crazyness" of the outside world. The ultimate "us and them" dichotomy.

It's abandonment issues Mare. It's a plain as the balls on her bull!

This ain't rocket science. Girl meets guy. Girl falls madly in love with guy. Guy would rather be with other men than her. Guy leaves girl. Girl hates guy for not choosing her. Girl grows old with only her animals for love spiting gay men...

and now doesn't even trust her dog anymore. Damn cross breeder!

 

[Sihouette]

So Mare, have you weighed the issue in your mind and come up with a bridge yet? How do you condone the mutilation of a perfectly functioning body with that of mutilating animals. If they are different issues, I'd like to see your ennumeration on how exactly that is?

And Mare, in your avatar I notice your hand is obscuring your neck region. Did you get your adam's apple shaved too like some transexuals do or is it still quite obvious that you are a transsexual?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

So Mare, have you weighed the issue in your mind and come up with a bridge yet? How do you condone the mutilation of a perfectly functioning body with that of mutilating animals. If they are different issues, I'd like to see your ennumeration on how exactly that is?

And Mare, in your avatar I notice your hand is obscuring your neck region. Did you get your adam's apple shaved too like some transexuals do or is it still quite obvious that you are a transsexual?

If you aren't going to read what I post, why should I post more to you? I answered your first question already but you have ignored my response. See my post 988 where I said, "Poor ol' Siho, you can't see the difference if Jason comes to your house and cuts you up and if you decide to have a hysterectomy on the advice of a doctor."

Oh, and please tell me how you arrived at a "perfectly functioning body" in relation to me. Now you are a specialist in transsexual hormones, brain function, and the problems of puberty among transsexuals? You seem to have something of a proctological perspective.


No, and no, my hand is not covering my throat, my hair is, but thank you for asking. You'll learn a lot more if you ask questions than if you simply holdforth as you have been doing.

 

[SapphireJinx]

I'm sure out there somewhere there is a male dog who wants to feel female right? You see it when one male dog allows another to mount it. Should we remove his penis and cut a vagina into him? I'm just saying..for the purposes of getting you to really think about it..

That has nothing to do with sex. It's purely a domination behavior. Even female dogs will mount other females, and they are not trying to have sex--which you would know if you were the expert on animal behavior you present yourself as.

 

[SapphireJinx]

Well from my perspective being as completely void of any understanding of human sexuality as you are Siho I like Shaman's interludes.

Without them here's how your one & only vendetta thread goes.

Siho: I know about that whole gay thing because on my farm I have horses, cows & dogs.

Mare: What the hell does that have to do with anything! I have a cockatoo doesn't mean I know how to fly!

Siho: Mammals are all exactly the same sexually as human beings.

Mare: Are you on crack?

Siho: No you can trick a stallion into having sex with another stallion same with people... they're just being tricked.

Mare: Are you insane men and women aren't being tricked into being gay. They go out on dates, they can reason, they now what they like and exactly why they like it. Humans aren't like animals that just have sex to create offspring. How many humans do you see going into heat? Humans have sex for enjoyment which by the way hurts no one.

Siho: Oh but it does. If allowed to be the norm all people will turn gay and they'll be no procreation.

Mare: Are you sniffing model glue straight people like straight people. Gays have no effect on straight people whatsoever.

Siho: Well my horse tells me differently.

Shaman: You don't get out much do you.

Now I ask you... wasn't Shaman's post a nice break.

OMG

XD

<--falls down laughing hysterically

 

[Sihouette]

"That has nothing to do with sex. It's purely a domination behavior. Even female dogs will mount other females, and they are not trying to have sex--which you would know if you were the expert on animal behavior you present yourself as"~jinx

OK, let's agree that all animals including humans have a somewhat nebulous "drive" sexually that can just be quanitfied as "horny" in layman's terms, that can also be a form of domination.

Scientists and the AI industry have found that this genderless drive [thank you] can be manipulated with ease at an impressionable age across species, especially in the mammalian group. Given.

Add that to the fact that young human mammals are THE most malleable of all species and have one of the longest childhood/adolescent malleability periods of any species that if you introduce into their world of "norms" the "norm" of dismembering your body parts to try to play at the other gender, or having any number of forms of deviant sexuality paraded as "accepted and normal" then you should expect, indeed bank on that aberrant sexuality from its original purpose [for procreation] will be on the rise within the human population proportionately.

So...

The real debate isn't centered around whether or not sexual-preference among humans is malleable and socially transmittable up to an adult age where it appears to become fixed like many other human behaviors, the real debate is whether or not this is OK with you.

We're barking up the wrong tree.

And anyone on the GLBT etc. side of the fence who dares to argue that they are wholly ignorant of the malleability of the sexual drive within social-pressure parameters, I offer again the following terminology from THEIR OWN CAMP.

"[BRI, Bring out, "To aid and abet the coming-out process", "Usually refers to an `experienced' gay man initiating a sexual relationship with a younger man who has never had homosexual sex."

"[BUN, Bunker shy, "A young man afraid of being forced into homosexual sex.", "From an early nineteenth-century prison term."

"[CAT, Catamite, "Originally, since the 1500s, a young boy or man kept by an older man for sexual purposes; now, any male bottom in anal sex.", "Related terms are bronco and peg boy."

"[CD, cute Daddy, "usually used to refer to an attractive man with children."

"[CHE, Cherry Queen, "Likes to initiate virgins."

"CHI, Chicken Queen, "Prefers sex with young boys or men."

"CHICK, chickenhawk, "an older gay man who prefers chicken."

"[HIT, hit, "homo in training.", "A young gay man who may or may not be aware that he's gay."http://www.glinn.com/news/gaygloss.htm

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

OK, let's agree that all animals including humans have a somewhat nebulous "drive" sexually that can just be quanitfied as "horny" in layman's terms, that can also be a form of domination.

Scientists and the AI industry have found that this genderless drive [thank you] can be manipulated with ease at an impressionable age across species, especially in the mammalian group. Given.

Add that to the fact that young human mammals are THE most malleable of all species and have one of the longest childhood/adolescent malleability periods of any species that if you introduce into their world of "norms" the "norm" of dismembering your body parts to try to play at the other gender, or having any number of forms of deviant sexuality paraded as "accepted and normal" then you should expect, indeed bank on that aberrant sexuality from its original purpose [for procreation] will be on the rise within the human population proportionately.

So...

The real debate isn't centered around whether or not sexual-preference among humans is malleable and socially transmittable up to an adult age where it appears to become fixed like many other human behaviors, the real debate is whether or not this is OK with you.

We're barking up the wrong tree.

And anyone on the GLBT etc. side of the fence who dares to argue that they are wholly ignorant of the malleability of the sexual drive within social-pressure parameters, I offer again the following terminology from THEIR OWN CAMP.

When you don't have anything to say, it's best to repeat yourself, eh Siho?

And when someone does answer on of your questions it's best to ignore it if it doesn't fit in with your current diatribe.

 

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So Mare, have you weighed the issue in your mind and come up with a bridge yet? How do you condone the mutilation of a perfectly functioning body with that of mutilating animals. If they are different issues, I'd like to see your ennumeration on how exactly that is?

And Mare, in your avatar I notice your hand is obscuring your neck region. Did you get your adam's apple shaved too like some transexuals do or is it still quite obvious that you are a transsexual?

The response was made. I read it where were you?

What you are trying to do is equate elective surgery (elective being the key word here) with somebody doing something to somebody or something else without their consent. If I get my body covered in tattoos it's my body to do with as I please. If you come over, hold me down and tattoo me against my will that's a crime.

 

[top gun]

That has nothing to do with sex. It's purely a domination behavior. Even female dogs will mount other females, and they are not trying to have sex--which you would know if you were the expert on animal behavior you present yourself as.

Well Jinx you're obviously more observant than Siho. A dog once humped her leg and she thought he was asking her out for a cocktail and a little dancing.

 

[top gun]

OMG

XD

<--falls down laughing hysterically

Thanks.

By any chance have you seen the video shot a Siho's farm. It's a wild and wooly place!

 

[Sihouette]

True about the tattoo thing. I remember a phase back in the early '90s where every woman I knew was getting a "tramp stamp"..lol..

Now they regret it as they get into their 40s and 50s and it just looks...ugh..

I'm sure at the time though they were utterly into it and believed it was perfectly OK to do. I hear the pain of getting them removed is difficult. Which makes me think that people don't always have the best wisdom about what they do to their bodies when they are under the age of say, 50.

I remember how the tatoo thing came about too. One or two women on MTV or in some magazine sported them, then came the social butterflies of a town who had to always be on the cuttinge edge of the latest trends. Then pretty much every girl I saw had the "stamp" or some other tatoo done discreetly somewhere else..and ankle band, a wrist band and so on..

That's just how it goes in human societies, things not natural to people and later regretted are done and others imitate it like wildfire. It's the darndest thing...

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

That's just how it goes in human societies, things not natural to people and later regretted are done and others imitate it like wildfire. It's the darndest thing...

That's just how it goes, there's always somebody who's trying to tell everybody else what's "natural". And it's usually somebody who knows very little outside of their own cloistered existence. Education often broadens the mind to the point where a person doesn't need to dictate to others to feel secure.

It was once said that the happiest people in the world are the ones who have the fewest rules they require others to follow.

I notice that you backed away from the mutilation/surgery argument pretty fast when confronted with the reality of normal surgical procedures in the modern world.

 

[PLC1]

True about the tattoo thing. I remember a phase back in the early '90s where every woman I knew was getting a "tramp stamp"..lol..

Now they regret it as they get into their 40s and 50s and it just looks...ugh..

I'm sure at the time though they were utterly into it and believed it was perfectly OK to do. I hear the pain of getting them removed is difficult. Which makes me think that people don't always have the best wisdom about what they do to their bodies when they are under the age of say, 50.

I remember how the tatoo thing came about too. One or two women on MTV or in some magazine sported them, then came the social butterflies of a town who had to always be on the cuttinge edge of the latest trends. Then pretty much every girl I saw had the "stamp" or some other tatoo done discreetly somewhere else..and ankle band, a wrist band and so on..

That's just how it goes in human societies, things not natural to people and later regretted are done and others imitate it like wildfire. It's the darndest thing...

what they should do is get a dog tatoo in their20s. Then, when they're 60 and still have it, they can say it is a shar pei.