Young widow kills intruder, protects herself and her baby.

[pocketfullofshells]

I have to both agree and disagree with PLC's statements. The issue of gun control is very much a Conservative/Libertarian vs Liberal/Progressive issue. Name the last Republican to champion, or even support, any gun control measure... Meanwhile Democrats push for stricter gun control laws every year. And I agree that Conservatives often have an authoritarian streak, despite the many denials regarding this fact. Just one example of this was a decade or so ago when "Conservatives" were pushing to make it illegal for people to burn the American flag.

So while TexasT claims that "Conservatives support the Constitution... 100%", Conservatives are quick to ignore such Constitutional phrases as "Congress shall make no law..." when issues of "morality" are on the table.

since I live in a "liberal State" how is it that we have not banned guns? Because the whole Liberals all want to ban guns is crap...Liberals understand that there are limits...The word Regulated is right there in the 2nd ...The Right to Free Speech is not 100%..you can't yell fire in a crowded theater..you can't say...I am going to murder the president. You can't conspire to commit a crime. Society makes some judgments..like you don't need a RPG for Self Protection. Maybe you don't need to be able to fire 600 rounds in a min with a 100 round clip.

 

[Texas_tea]

since I live in a "liberal State" how is it that we have not banned guns?

WTF ... as much as I would like to respond to your liberal non-sense .... I can't seem to ever truly discern just what the hail your talking about!!!

 

[steveox]

The State of Maryland is a very liberal state. And they banned handguns
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/2/22/161011.shtml
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/guns/marylandlaw.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504383_162-5517894-504383.html

 

[Texas_tea]

The State of Maryland is a very liberal state. And they banned handguns
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/2/22/161011.shtml
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/guns/marylandlaw.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504383_162-5517894-504383.html

America as a whole will not survive without our Constitution! We will split into three different regions. A conservative, Constitutional supporting region, a less moderate region and a socialist region. These regions or divides already exist within this Country now. Soon, it will be made official!

 

[Gipper]

I have to both agree and disagree with PLC's statements. The issue of gun control is very much a Conservative/Libertarian vs Liberal/Progressive issue. Name the last Republican to champion, or even support, any gun control measure... Meanwhile Democrats push for stricter gun control laws every year. And I agree that Conservatives often have an authoritarian streak, despite the many denials regarding this fact. Just one example of this was a decade or so ago when "Conservatives" were pushing to make it illegal for people to burn the American flag.

So while TexasT claims that "Conservatives support the Constitution... 100%", Conservatives are quick to ignore such Constitutional phrases as "Congress shall make no law..." when issues of "morality" are on the table.

You failed to use the word 'some' in front of conservatives. Not all conservatives backed the flag burning amendment. And, you can hardly blame them when they have witnessed the systemic destruction of much of what they hold dear by liberalism.

 

[PLC1]

I have to both agree and disagree with PLC's statements. The issue of gun control is very much a Conservative/Libertarian vs Liberal/Progressive issue. Name the last Republican to champion, or even support, any gun control measure... Meanwhile Democrats push for stricter gun control laws every year. And I agree that Conservatives often have an authoritarian streak, despite the many denials regarding this fact. Just one example of this was a decade or so ago when "Conservatives" were pushing to make it illegal for people to burn the American flag.

So while TexasT claims that "Conservatives support the Constitution... 100%", Conservatives are quick to ignore such Constitutional phrases as "Congress shall make no law..." when issues of "morality" are on the table.

Where it gets confusing is when you begin to try to equate conservative with Republican and with libertarian. Those are three very different things. Most people who call themselves "conservative" are not libertarian in their views, particularly when, as you said, the issue is one of their perceived morality.

 

[GenSeneca]

Because the whole Liberals all want to ban guns is crap...

Yes, your pathetic strawman is crap. I never claimed that all liberals want to ban guns. What I did point out was a fact that you cannot deny: Democrats, "Liberals", are the only ones that ever push for stricter gun control laws. Here's another fact: It's the "Conservatives" who fight against stricter gun control laws - Hence, it is a "Liberal" vs "Conservative" issue.

Liberals understand that there are limits...

You don't understand the difference between a Right and a Legal Privilege... The only limitations placed on a Right, is that you cannot use that Right to violate the Rights of others. Legal Privilege is subject to any and all arbitrary restrictions, for example, driving is a privilege, not a right, therefore subject to any, and all, restrictions, no matter how arbitrary.

The word Regulated is right there in the 2nd ...

Yes that word is present and it specifically pertains to the militia: "...A well regulated Militia..." If the 2nd Amendment said, "...the regulated right of the people to keep and bear arms..." then you'd have a leg to stand on, but it doesn't say that, so you have nothing.

The Right to Free Speech is not 100%..

Actually, it's supposed to be 100%, that's the whole point of the phrase, "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech..." That clearly states NO LAW, not "some laws", not "whatever laws Pocket thinks are necessary" but NO LAW abridging the freedom of speech. If you're still confused, lets look at the definition of the word "abridge": To curtail, cut short, deprive, or reduce in scope.

Society makes some judgments..like you don't need a RPG for Self Protection. Maybe you don't need to be able to fire 600 rounds in a min with a 100 round clip.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Again, it doesn't say, "can be infringed", it doesn't say our right to keep and bear arms, "is subject to whatever limitations Pocket deems necessary", it clearly states that our right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed.

 

[steveox]

Yes that word is present and it specifically pertains to the militia: "...A well regulated Militia..." If the 2nd Amendment said, "...the regulated right of the people to keep and bear arms..." then you'd have a leg to stand on, but it doesn't say that, so you have nothing.

The Militia got Tim McVeigh to do this.

The Militia is Americas Al Queda

 

[GenSeneca]

You failed to use the word 'some' in front of conservatives.

PLC should listen too... I used "Conseravitves" in quotation marks to singify my use of a generalization.

 

[dogtowner]

Where it gets confusing is when you begin to try to equate conservative with Republican and with libertarian. Those are three very different things. Most people who call themselves "conservative" are not libertarian in their views, particularly when, as you said, the issue is one of their perceived morality.

well certianly the GOP is not always conservative or libertarianany more than the Dems are liberal or libertarian but most express elements of libertarian thought. but on the whole and rhetoric notwithstanding I'd say that conservatives tilt toward liberty more often does the left.

 

[steveox]

The Militia plan to kill cops

Michigan-based religious militia plotted to kill cops

A tense standoff that ended with the arrest of a ninth member of a multistate Christian militia Monday night capped the end of a three-day raid that had federal and state authorities combing rural areas along the state line.
Joshua M. Stone of Clayton was arrested in Hillsdale County just after 8 p.m., a day after authorities say he took up hiding in a former militia training area about 2 miles from Wheatland Church in Wheatland Township, said Andrew Arena, head of the Detroit FBI office.
Stone is expected to appear in U.S. District Court in Detroit at 1 p.m. today.
Federal authorities say the 21-year-old was a member of a militia group known as Hutaree, or Christian warrior, that plotted to kill a police officer sometime in April and hide homemade bombs along the funeral processional route in hopes of taking out scores of others.

http://www.freep.com/article/201003...gan-based-religious-militia-plotted-kill-cops