Lagboltz
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Perhaps you can tell me why Bush and his administration intentionally lied about WMD's in Iraq and squandered a trillion dollars and thousands of American lives for a corrupt regime.
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every independant examination of your disproved your allegations. Repeating a lie does not render it true.
Lagboltz
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This summarizes the lies of the Bush administration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_war#Weapons_of_mass_destruction
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Nice deflection --- don't answer the question. We'll just mark that down as non-responsive.
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It's not a deflection. Your assumption and dogtowner's statement is that corruption during Obama's administration is more common than any other administration. I think you are both very wrong, and I gave a common example of Bush's corruption.
As far as your list of items in post #15, the Bush administration was guilty of almost all of them. All you have to do is search the web and you will find many examples. That is your homework assignment. All previous administrations also had their own assortment of corruptions.
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So, I guess that means you can't make your own case, huh?
Funny - I don't recall Bush bribing members of Congress in order to get a program passed that the people didn't want. I don't remember Bush using the IRS and DOJ like a third world dictator. I don't remember Bush being absolutely incompetent in foreign relations.
Face it ... the crimes by Obama are the most egregious by a sitting president in the history of the United States (yes, that includes Nixon).
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Bush executive branch scandals:
Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal Army Secretary Francis J. Harvey (R) abruptly resigned over substandard conditions for wounded soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center including long delays in treatment, rodent infestation and outbreaks of mold. Harvey had been appointed to the position by George W. Bush.
Maj. Gen. George Weightman, was fired for failures linked to the scandal.(2007)
Maj. Gen. Kevin C. Kiley resigned for failures linked to the scandal.
PRISM (surveillance program) was signed into law on Sept. 11, 2007, by President George W. Bush after he signed the Protect America Act allowing the National Security Agency to start a massive domestic surveillance program known as PRISM on Sept. 11, 2007. “I put that program in place to protect the country”, he said.
Felipe Sixto was appointed by President George W. Bush to be his Special Assistant for Intergovernmental Affairs as well as Duty Director at the Office of Public Liaison. He resigned a few weeks later on March 20, 2008 because of his misuse of grant money from the U.S. Agency for International Development when he had worked for the Center for a Free Cuba. He was sentenced to 30 months in prison for stealing almost $600,000 for personal use.
Timothy Goeglein, Special Assistant to President Bush resigned when it was discovered that more than 20 of his columns had been plagiarized from an Indiana newspaper. (2008)
Scott Bloch was appointed by President George W. Bush to head the United States Office of Special Counsel. On April 27, 2010 Bloch pleaded guilty to criminal contempt of Congress for "willfully and unlawfully withholding pertinent information from a House committee investigating his decision to have several government computers wiped ...." On February 2, Magistrate Judge Deborah A. Robinson ruled that Bloch faces a mandatory sentence of at least one month in prison.
Lewis Libby, Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney (R). 'Scooter' was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the Plame Affair on March 6, 2007. He was sentenced to 30 months in prison and fined $250,000. The sentence was commuted by George W. Bush on July 1, 2007. The felony remains on Libby's record, though the jail time and fine were commuted.
Alphonso Jackson The Secretary of Housing and Urban Development resigned while under investigation by the Justice Department for alleged cronyism and favoritism
Karl Rove Senior Adviser to President George W. Bush was investigated by the Office of Special Counsel for "improper political influence over government decision-making", as well as for his involvement in several other scandals such as Lawyergate, Bush White House e-mail controversy and Plame affair. He resigned in April 2007. (See Karl Rove in the George W. Bush administration)
Richard J. Griffin Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security appointed by George W. Bush who made key decisions regarding the department's oversight of private security contractor Blackwater USA, resigned in November 2007, after a critical review by the House Oversight Committee found that his office had failed to adequately supervise private contractors during the Blackwater Baghdad shootings protecting U.S. diplomats in Iraq.
Howard Krongard, Republican contributor was appointed Inspector General of the US State Department by President George W. Bush in 2005.After he was accused by the House Oversight Committee of improperly interfering with investigations into private security contractor Blackwater USA, concerning the Blackwater Baghdad shootings. Krongard resigned in December 2007.
"Lawyergate"Or the Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy refers to President Bush firing, without explanation, eleven Republican federal prosecutors whom he himself had appointed. It is alleged they were fired for prosecuting Republicans and not prosecuting Democrats. When Congressional hearings were called, a number of senior Justice Department officials cited executive privilege and refused to testify under oath and instead resigned, including:
- Michael A. Battle Director of Executive Office of US Attorneys in the Justice Department.
- Bradley Schlozman Director of Executive Office of US Attorneys who replaced Battle
- Michael Elston Chief of Staff to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty
- Paul McNulty Deputy Attorney General to William Mercer
- William W. Mercer Associate Attorney General to Alberto Gonzales
- Kyle Sampson Chief of Staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
- Alberto Gonzales Attorney General of the United States
- Monica Goodling Liaison between President Bush and the Justice Department
- Joshua Bolten Deputy Chief of Staff to President Bush was found in Contempt of Congress
- Sara M. Taylor Aide to Presidential Advisor Karl Rove
- Karl Rove Advisor to President Bush
- Harriet Miers Legal Counsel to President Bush, was found in Contempt of Congress
Bush White House e-mail controversy – During the Lawyergate investigation it was discovered that the Bush administration used Republican National Committee (RNC) web servers for millions of emails which were then destroyed, lost or deleted in possible violation of the Presidential Records Act and the Hatch Act. George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Andrew Card, Sara Taylor and Scott Jennings all used RNC webservers for the majority of their emails. Of 88 officials investigated, 51 showed no emails at all. As many as 5 million e-mails requested by Congressional investigators were therefore unavailable, lost, or deleted.
Lurita Alexis Doan Resigned as head of the General Services Administration. She was under scrutiny for conflict of interest and violations of the Hatch Act. Among other things she asked GSA employees how they could "help Republican candidates".
John Korsmo chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board pled guilty to lying to congress and sentenced to 18 months of unsupervised probation and fined $5,000. (2005)
Darleen A. Druyun was Principal Deputy Undersecretary of the Air Force nominated by George W. Bush. She pled guilty to inflating the price of contracts to favor her future employer, Boeing. In October 2004, she was sentenced to nine months in jail for corruption, fined $5,000, given three years of supervised release and 150 hours of community service. She began her prison term on January 5, 2005. CBS News called it "the biggest Pentagon scandal in 20 years" and said that she pleaded guilty to a felony.
Philip Cooney Bush appointee to chair the Council on Environmental Quality was accused of editing government climate reports to emphasize doubts about global warming. Two days later, Cooney announced his resignation and later conceded his role in altering reports. Stating "My sole loyalty was to the President and advancing the policies of his administration," .
Jack Abramoff Scandal in which the prominent lobbyist with close ties to Republican administration officials and legislators offered bribes as part of his lobbying efforts. Abramoff was sentenced to 4 years in prison.
- David Safavian GSA (General Services Administration) Chief of Staff, found guilty of blocking justice and lying, and sentenced to 18 months
- Roger Stillwell Staff in the Department of the Interior under President George W. Bush (R). Pleaded guilty and received two years suspended sentence.
- Susan B. Ralston Special Assistant to the President and Senior Advisor to Karl Rove, resigned October 6, 2006, after it became known that she accepted gifts and passed information to her former boss Jack Abramoff.
- J. Steven Griles former Deputy to the Secretary of the Interior pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and was sentenced to 10 months.
- Italia Federici staff to the Secretary of the Interior, and President of the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, pled guilty to tax evasion and obstruction of justice. She was sentenced to four years probation.
- Jared Carpenter Vice-President of the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, was discovered during the Abramoff investigation and pled guilty to income tax evasion. He got 45 days, plus 4 years probation.
- Mark Zachares staff in the Department of Labor, bribed by Abramoff, guilty of conspiracy to defraud.
- Robert E. Coughlin Deputy Chief of Staff, Criminal Division of the Justice Department pleaded guilty to conflict of interest after accepting bribes from Jack Abramoff. (2008)
Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal Army Secretary Francis J. Harvey (R) abruptly resigned over substandard conditions for wounded soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center including long delays in treatment, rodent infestation and outbreaks of mold. Harvey had been appointed to the position by George W. Bush.
Maj. Gen. George Weightman, was fired for failures linked to the scandal.(2007)
Maj. Gen. Kevin C. Kiley resigned for failures linked to the scandal.
PRISM (surveillance program) was signed into law on Sept. 11, 2007, by President George W. Bush after he signed the Protect America Act allowing the National Security Agency to start a massive domestic surveillance program known as PRISM on Sept. 11, 2007. “I put that program in place to protect the country”, he said.
Felipe Sixto was appointed by President George W. Bush to be his Special Assistant for Intergovernmental Affairs as well as Duty Director at the Office of Public Liaison. He resigned a few weeks later on March 20, 2008 because of his misuse of grant money from the U.S. Agency for International Development when he had worked for the Center for a Free Cuba. He was sentenced to 30 months in prison for stealing almost $600,000 for personal use.
Timothy Goeglein, Special Assistant to President Bush resigned when it was discovered that more than 20 of his columns had been plagiarized from an Indiana newspaper. (2008)
Scott Bloch was appointed by President George W. Bush to head the United States Office of Special Counsel. On April 27, 2010 Bloch pleaded guilty to criminal contempt of Congress for "willfully and unlawfully withholding pertinent information from a House committee investigating his decision to have several government computers wiped ...." On February 2, Magistrate Judge Deborah A. Robinson ruled that Bloch faces a mandatory sentence of at least one month in prison.
Lewis Libby, Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney (R). 'Scooter' was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the Plame Affair on March 6, 2007. He was sentenced to 30 months in prison and fined $250,000. The sentence was commuted by George W. Bush on July 1, 2007. The felony remains on Libby's record, though the jail time and fine were commuted.
Alphonso Jackson The Secretary of Housing and Urban Development resigned while under investigation by the Justice Department for alleged cronyism and favoritism
Karl Rove Senior Adviser to President George W. Bush was investigated by the Office of Special Counsel for "improper political influence over government decision-making", as well as for his involvement in several other scandals such as Lawyergate, Bush White House e-mail controversy and Plame affair. He resigned in April 2007. (See Karl Rove in the George W. Bush administration)
Richard J. Griffin Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security appointed by George W. Bush who made key decisions regarding the department's oversight of private security contractor Blackwater USA, resigned in November 2007, after a critical review by the House Oversight Committee found that his office had failed to adequately supervise private contractors during the Blackwater Baghdad shootings protecting U.S. diplomats in Iraq.
Howard Krongard, Republican contributor was appointed Inspector General of the US State Department by President George W. Bush in 2005.After he was accused by the House Oversight Committee of improperly interfering with investigations into private security contractor Blackwater USA, concerning the Blackwater Baghdad shootings. Krongard resigned in December 2007.
"Lawyergate"Or the Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy refers to President Bush firing, without explanation, eleven Republican federal prosecutors whom he himself had appointed. It is alleged they were fired for prosecuting Republicans and not prosecuting Democrats. When Congressional hearings were called, a number of senior Justice Department officials cited executive privilege and refused to testify under oath and instead resigned, including:
- Michael A. Battle Director of Executive Office of US Attorneys in the Justice Department.
- Bradley Schlozman Director of Executive Office of US Attorneys who replaced Battle
- Michael Elston Chief of Staff to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty
- Paul McNulty Deputy Attorney General to William Mercer
- William W. Mercer Associate Attorney General to Alberto Gonzales
- Kyle Sampson Chief of Staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
- Alberto Gonzales Attorney General of the United States
- Monica Goodling Liaison between President Bush and the Justice Department
- Joshua Bolten Deputy Chief of Staff to President Bush was found in Contempt of Congress
- Sara M. Taylor Aide to Presidential Advisor Karl Rove
- Karl Rove Advisor to President Bush
- Harriet Miers Legal Counsel to President Bush, was found in Contempt of Congress
Bush White House e-mail controversy – During the Lawyergate investigation it was discovered that the Bush administration used Republican National Committee (RNC) web servers for millions of emails which were then destroyed, lost or deleted in possible violation of the Presidential Records Act and the Hatch Act. George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Andrew Card, Sara Taylor and Scott Jennings all used RNC webservers for the majority of their emails. Of 88 officials investigated, 51 showed no emails at all. As many as 5 million e-mails requested by Congressional investigators were therefore unavailable, lost, or deleted.
Lurita Alexis Doan Resigned as head of the General Services Administration. She was under scrutiny for conflict of interest and violations of the Hatch Act. Among other things she asked GSA employees how they could "help Republican candidates".
John Korsmo chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board pled guilty to lying to congress and sentenced to 18 months of unsupervised probation and fined $5,000. (2005)
Darleen A. Druyun was Principal Deputy Undersecretary of the Air Force nominated by George W. Bush. She pled guilty to inflating the price of contracts to favor her future employer, Boeing. In October 2004, she was sentenced to nine months in jail for corruption, fined $5,000, given three years of supervised release and 150 hours of community service. She began her prison term on January 5, 2005. CBS News called it "the biggest Pentagon scandal in 20 years" and said that she pleaded guilty to a felony.
Philip Cooney Bush appointee to chair the Council on Environmental Quality was accused of editing government climate reports to emphasize doubts about global warming. Two days later, Cooney announced his resignation and later conceded his role in altering reports. Stating "My sole loyalty was to the President and advancing the policies of his administration," .
Jack Abramoff Scandal in which the prominent lobbyist with close ties to Republican administration officials and legislators offered bribes as part of his lobbying efforts. Abramoff was sentenced to 4 years in prison.
- David Safavian GSA (General Services Administration) Chief of Staff, found guilty of blocking justice and lying, and sentenced to 18 months
- Roger Stillwell Staff in the Department of the Interior under President George W. Bush (R). Pleaded guilty and received two years suspended sentence.
- Susan B. Ralston Special Assistant to the President and Senior Advisor to Karl Rove, resigned October 6, 2006, after it became known that she accepted gifts and passed information to her former boss Jack Abramoff.
- J. Steven Griles former Deputy to the Secretary of the Interior pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and was sentenced to 10 months.
- Italia Federici staff to the Secretary of the Interior, and President of the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, pled guilty to tax evasion and obstruction of justice. She was sentenced to four years probation.
- Jared Carpenter Vice-President of the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, was discovered during the Abramoff investigation and pled guilty to income tax evasion. He got 45 days, plus 4 years probation.
- Mark Zachares staff in the Department of Labor, bribed by Abramoff, guilty of conspiracy to defraud.
- Robert E. Coughlin Deputy Chief of Staff, Criminal Division of the Justice Department pleaded guilty to conflict of interest after accepting bribes from Jack Abramoff. (2008)
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Bush executive branch scandals continued:
Kyle Foggo Executive director of the CIA was convicted of honest services fraud in the awarding of a government contract and sentenced to 37 months in federal prison at Pine Knot, Kentucky. On September 29, 2008, Foggo pleaded guilty to one count of the indictment, admitting that while he was the CIA executive director, he acted to steer a CIA contract to the firm of his lifelong friend, Brent R. Wilkes.
Julie MacDonald Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Department of the Interior, resigned May 1, 2007, after giving government documents to developers (2007
Claude Allen Appointed as an advisor by President George W. Bush (R) on Domestic Policy, Allen was arrested for a series of felony thefts in retail stores. He was convicted on one count and resigned soon after.
Lester Crawford Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, resigned after 2 months. Pled guilty to conflict of interest and received 3 years suspended sentence and fined $90,000 (2006)
2003 Invasion of Iraq depended on intelligence that Saddam Hussein was developing "weapons of mass destruction" (WMDs) meaning nuclear, chemical and/or biological weapons for offensive use. As revealed by The (British) Downing Street memo "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy" The press called this the 'smoking gun."(2005)
Yellowcake forgery: Just before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration presented evidence to the UN that Iraq was seeking material (yellowcake uranium) in Africa for making nuclear weapons. Though presented as true, it was later found to be not only dubious, but outright false.
Coalition Provisional Authority Cash Payment Scandal: On June 20, 2005, the staff of the Committee on Government Reform prepared a report for Congressman Henry Waxman. It was revealed that $12 billion in cash had been delivered to Iraq by C-130 planes, on shrinkwrapped pallets of US $100 bills. The United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, concluded that "Many of the funds appear to have been lost to corruption and waste.... Some of the funds could have enriched both criminals and insurgents...." Henry Waxman, commented, "Who in their right mind would send 363 tons of cash into a war zone?" A single flight to Iraq on December 12, 2003, which contained $1.5 billion in cash is said to be the largest single Federal Reserve payout in US history according to Henry Waxman.
Bush administration payment of columnists with federal funds to say nice things about Republican policies. Illegal payments were made to journalists Armstrong Williams, Maggie Gallagher and Michael McManus (2004–2005)
Bernard Kerik nomination in 2004 as Secretary of Homeland Security was derailed by past employment of an illegal alien as a nanny, and other improprieties. On Nov 4, 2009, he pled guilty to two counts of tax fraud and five counts of lying to the federal government and was sentenced to four years in prison.
Plame affair (2004), in which CIA agent Valerie Plame's name was supposedly leaked by Richard Armitage, Deputy Secretary of State, to the press in retaliation for her husband's criticism of the reports used by George W. Bush to legitimize the Iraq war.Armitage admitted he was the leak but no wrongdoing was found.
Thomas A. Scully, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), withheld information from Congress about the projected cost of the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act, and allegedly threatened to fire Medicare's chief actuary, Richard Foster, if Foster provided the data to Congress. (2003) Scully resigned on December 16, 2003.
NSA warrantless surveillance – Shortly after the September 11 attacks in 2001, President George W. Bush (R) implemented a secret program by the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on domestic telephone calls by American citizens without warrants, thus by-passing the FISA court which must approve all such actions. (2002) In 2010, Federal Judge Vaughn Walker ruled this practice to be illegal.
Janet Rehnquist (daughter of former Chief Justice William Rehnquist) appointed Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services by George W. Bush. In 2002, Governor Jeb Bush's (R-FL) Chief of Staff Kathleen Shanahan asked Rehnquist to delay auditing a $571 million federal overpayment to the State of Florida. Rehnquist ordered her staff to delay the investigation for five months until after the Florida elections. When Congress began an investigation into the matter, Rehnquist resigned in March 2003, saying she wanted to spend more time with her family.
John Yoo An attorney in the Office of Legal Counsel inside the Justice Department who, working closely with vice president Dick Cheney and The Bush Six, wrote memos stating the right of the president to –
- suspend sections of the ABM Treaty without informing Congress
- bypass the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act allowing warrentless wiretapping of US Citizens within the United States by the National Security Agency.
- state that the First Amendment and Fourth Amendments and the Takings Clause do not apply to the president in time of war as defined in the USA PATRIOT Act
- allow Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (torture) because provisions of the War Crimes Act, the Third Geneva Convention, and the Torture convention do not apply.
Many of his memos have since been repudiated and reversed. Later review by the Justice Department reported that Yoo and Jay Bybee used "poor judgement" in the memos, but no charges were filed.
Carl Truscott Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms appointed in 2004 but was soon under investigation for his management style and allegations of lavish spending and misuse of resources, including requiring a large number of agents as personal security, allocating hundreds of thousands of dollars of expensive upgrades to the ATF HQ building, adding a new garage to his house, detailing 20 agents to help with his nephew’s high school project and other examples of poor financial judgment. Truscott resigned as the ATF Director on August 4, 2006.
Kyle Foggo Executive director of the CIA was convicted of honest services fraud in the awarding of a government contract and sentenced to 37 months in federal prison at Pine Knot, Kentucky. On September 29, 2008, Foggo pleaded guilty to one count of the indictment, admitting that while he was the CIA executive director, he acted to steer a CIA contract to the firm of his lifelong friend, Brent R. Wilkes.
Julie MacDonald Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Department of the Interior, resigned May 1, 2007, after giving government documents to developers (2007
Claude Allen Appointed as an advisor by President George W. Bush (R) on Domestic Policy, Allen was arrested for a series of felony thefts in retail stores. He was convicted on one count and resigned soon after.
Lester Crawford Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, resigned after 2 months. Pled guilty to conflict of interest and received 3 years suspended sentence and fined $90,000 (2006)
2003 Invasion of Iraq depended on intelligence that Saddam Hussein was developing "weapons of mass destruction" (WMDs) meaning nuclear, chemical and/or biological weapons for offensive use. As revealed by The (British) Downing Street memo "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy" The press called this the 'smoking gun."(2005)
Yellowcake forgery: Just before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration presented evidence to the UN that Iraq was seeking material (yellowcake uranium) in Africa for making nuclear weapons. Though presented as true, it was later found to be not only dubious, but outright false.
Coalition Provisional Authority Cash Payment Scandal: On June 20, 2005, the staff of the Committee on Government Reform prepared a report for Congressman Henry Waxman. It was revealed that $12 billion in cash had been delivered to Iraq by C-130 planes, on shrinkwrapped pallets of US $100 bills. The United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, concluded that "Many of the funds appear to have been lost to corruption and waste.... Some of the funds could have enriched both criminals and insurgents...." Henry Waxman, commented, "Who in their right mind would send 363 tons of cash into a war zone?" A single flight to Iraq on December 12, 2003, which contained $1.5 billion in cash is said to be the largest single Federal Reserve payout in US history according to Henry Waxman.
Bush administration payment of columnists with federal funds to say nice things about Republican policies. Illegal payments were made to journalists Armstrong Williams, Maggie Gallagher and Michael McManus (2004–2005)
Bernard Kerik nomination in 2004 as Secretary of Homeland Security was derailed by past employment of an illegal alien as a nanny, and other improprieties. On Nov 4, 2009, he pled guilty to two counts of tax fraud and five counts of lying to the federal government and was sentenced to four years in prison.
Plame affair (2004), in which CIA agent Valerie Plame's name was supposedly leaked by Richard Armitage, Deputy Secretary of State, to the press in retaliation for her husband's criticism of the reports used by George W. Bush to legitimize the Iraq war.Armitage admitted he was the leak but no wrongdoing was found.
Thomas A. Scully, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), withheld information from Congress about the projected cost of the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act, and allegedly threatened to fire Medicare's chief actuary, Richard Foster, if Foster provided the data to Congress. (2003) Scully resigned on December 16, 2003.
NSA warrantless surveillance – Shortly after the September 11 attacks in 2001, President George W. Bush (R) implemented a secret program by the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on domestic telephone calls by American citizens without warrants, thus by-passing the FISA court which must approve all such actions. (2002) In 2010, Federal Judge Vaughn Walker ruled this practice to be illegal.
Janet Rehnquist (daughter of former Chief Justice William Rehnquist) appointed Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services by George W. Bush. In 2002, Governor Jeb Bush's (R-FL) Chief of Staff Kathleen Shanahan asked Rehnquist to delay auditing a $571 million federal overpayment to the State of Florida. Rehnquist ordered her staff to delay the investigation for five months until after the Florida elections. When Congress began an investigation into the matter, Rehnquist resigned in March 2003, saying she wanted to spend more time with her family.
John Yoo An attorney in the Office of Legal Counsel inside the Justice Department who, working closely with vice president Dick Cheney and The Bush Six, wrote memos stating the right of the president to –
- suspend sections of the ABM Treaty without informing Congress
- bypass the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act allowing warrentless wiretapping of US Citizens within the United States by the National Security Agency.
- state that the First Amendment and Fourth Amendments and the Takings Clause do not apply to the president in time of war as defined in the USA PATRIOT Act
- allow Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (torture) because provisions of the War Crimes Act, the Third Geneva Convention, and the Torture convention do not apply.
Many of his memos have since been repudiated and reversed. Later review by the Justice Department reported that Yoo and Jay Bybee used "poor judgement" in the memos, but no charges were filed.
Carl Truscott Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms appointed in 2004 but was soon under investigation for his management style and allegations of lavish spending and misuse of resources, including requiring a large number of agents as personal security, allocating hundreds of thousands of dollars of expensive upgrades to the ATF HQ building, adding a new garage to his house, detailing 20 agents to help with his nephew’s high school project and other examples of poor financial judgment. Truscott resigned as the ATF Director on August 4, 2006.
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You failed to add:
... but none of these excuse the actions of our current criminal-in-chief.
You know, of course, of the 76 transgressions of the Obama administration listed in the Cruz Report, as well as Obama's stellar 0-13 record when brought before the Supreme Court.
You are attempting to deflect from the issue - Obama's criminal activities - by pointing to someone else's.
Frankly, you being to sound like a typical elementary school playground - "He did it FIRST" - as if that's supposed to be some justification.
... but none of these excuse the actions of our current criminal-in-chief.
You know, of course, of the 76 transgressions of the Obama administration listed in the Cruz Report, as well as Obama's stellar 0-13 record when brought before the Supreme Court.
You are attempting to deflect from the issue - Obama's criminal activities - by pointing to someone else's.
Frankly, you being to sound like a typical elementary school playground - "He did it FIRST" - as if that's supposed to be some justification.
Lagboltz
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Au contraire. Let me say it again. Your assumption and dogtowner's statement is that corruption during Obama's administration is more common than any other administration. I think you are both very wrong, and I gave many examples of Bush's corruption to illustrate my point.
The Siena College Research Institute conducts a yearly survey of presidential personal attributes. They are based on responses from 238 presidential scholars. Harding and Nixon have the lowest in integrity, which immediately makes my point. Overall personal attributes are listed from best to worst as:
B. Obama (15)
...
GW Bush (39)
Pierce (40)
Harding (41)
Buchanan(42)
A. Johnson (43)
Those 238 scholars totally disagree with your gut feelings about Obama. Note that GW Bush makes the worst 5 list.
Those scholars have much more credibility than your "thruthiness". Frankly, you are the one sounding like a petulant elementary school playground kid. You make sweeping statements without any background justification and start whining at me when I furnish counterexamples of your gut feeling.
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Then, allow me to be a little more explicit ...
What happened in Bush's timeframe is over ... we can do nothing about it. We must deal with the reality of today ... your deflection allows you to ignore the current condition.
You can be assured that I do not keep a chalkboard in my bedroom marking down each and every time the Obama administration screws up. Unlike your list, I make no attempt to attribute the errors of some to the office of the Presidency. It is hardly the same level of egregiousness that a minor admin official creates a misstep than when the President himself overrides our constitutional authority.
If we were keeping a scoreboard, you MAY be right ... but who cares? I am more concerned with the level of corruption. I don't think you can dispute the fact that the office of the presidency, under Obama, has violated the law more times than the office of the presidency under Bush.
But .... be sure about one thing! I don't care ... I only care about the reality today, those things that we can affect today. Now, are we done with this little pedantic exercise, and we can get back to the main issue ... the intentional, and preplanned, erosion of our Constitution and our constitutional rights? Or, do we want to continue to play this silly game?
So ... back to the real issue. What are we to do about the gross violations of Constitutional authority by this President?
Lagboltz
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Of course this is a silly game, but you set the rules when you said,
"What are we to do about the gross violations of Constitutional authority by any President?"
I think any past, present or future president has always, and will always, continue to stretch the executive power. That's the nature of pols.
That game is what I addressed. But now you want to start a new one. Your new game would be much more objective if your closing sentence was,
"What are we to do about the gross violations of Constitutional authority by any President?"
I think any past, present or future president has always, and will always, continue to stretch the executive power. That's the nature of pols.
You don't need to. You simply post a new thread at this HOP site.
That's what SCOTUS is for. Do you have something else in mind?
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Actually, my comments were in response to your deflection. But, hey, taking responsibility was NEVER your strong suit ...
I can't fix past presidents, but we damn sure can do something about current ones. As for SCOTUS, 0-13 for the current criminal-in-residence. You know any other president that has that kind of record?
So, I leave it to you -- what are YOU going to do about it?
Lagboltz
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Not a deflection. Your title of this thread refers to past administrations by comparing them all to the present.
As far as doing something about it, why leave it to me. I leave it to YOU, as a conservative who feels more in need of addressing liberal policies right now than me. Right now Obama is more troubling to republicans than democrats. Are you refusing to address it any further because there is no other option?
What I will do in the future is not vote a third term for Obama. I will vote for Hillary rather than Rick Perry.
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Actually, I'm a little surprised at your willingness to ignore crime and malfeasance .... but then, that is a pretty consistent liberal idea ... the end justifies the means. Given conservatives' commitment to law and order, versus the progressive tendency toward abusing their position, rioting in the streets and a general hateful approach anything not to their advantage, I think your approach is pretty consistent.
As for me ... I know what I'm doing about it ... the question was what YOU were doing about it ... and you answered - nothing. It's only bad if it doesn't benefit you, right? Doesn't that make you an accessory to crime?
By the way ... the title of the thread ... no matter how you try to butcher it ... it was comment to the continuing exposure of corruption and crime by this administration. It makes no reference to previous administrations. But, a nice try .... I'll give you a C + ... a unique approach, but carries no gravitas.