Who could beat Obama in '12?

[Rick]

No one worth voting for has a snowball's chance in hell of beating Obama.

Mickey Mouse '12

You've lost contact with reality - obozo has less chance than carter did in 1980.

 

[Rick]

I can just see the 2012 primary being a Christine O'Donnell redo..where they will go so far right they will kill any chance of winning...so they can have there "purity"

Dream on.

We tried the RINO route in 2008 - what was that guy's name?

 

[pocketfullofshells]

The problem w/ the GOP is that they campaign on Libertarian princinples and their action do not back it up.

"We want a constitutionally limited government. (But we support the unconstitutional war on drugs."

"We want religious freedom! (But we want to leglislate our morals on others.)"

"We want to reduce the debt and cut spending. (But we would gladly vote for a spending bill that is ours and deficit spend america to hell if it means we get a tax break.)"

"All liberties protected in the constitution are important to us. (Unless you look like a terrorist then all bets are off.)"

"No one is above the law even the president. (Unless your name is Nixon.)"

"WE are individuals and if you disagree with US then YOU are part of the group think propaganda machine."


The reason real republicans are rare is because almost all of them that actually support what rebublicans claim they support call themselves Libertarians.

Hence while I don't agree with Libertarians always, I respect them a lot more. They far more often will stand with there ideas far more...even to a fault sometimes...to often many republicans seem to live in a world where what they say and what they do..do not have to add up...as words are more important then deeds...And of course if ever called on to explain the actions of the party...they just say well...they are all Rino's...they are not real republicans...the "real republican" I think is nothing but a fairy tail...like when they came up with that purity test or something...and Reagan would have failed on almost all of the questions...if his name was anything else.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Then debate him on it this ad hominem BS is worthless.

Thats all he has, its not his fault

 

[Apathy]

You've lost contact with reality - obozo has less chance than carter did in 1980.

Key phrase Mr. Argument-Against-The-Person "no one worth voting for".

 

[Apathy]

Hence while I don't agree with Libertarians always, I respect them a lot more. They far more often will stand with there ideas far more...even to a fault sometimes...to often many republicans seem to live in a world where what they say and what they do..do not have to add up...as words are more important then deeds...And of course if ever called on to explain the actions of the party...they just say well...they are all Rino's...they are not real republicans...the "real republican" I think is nothing but a fairy tail...like when they came up with that purity test or something...and Reagan would have failed on almost all of the questions...if his name was anything else.

Standing by principles is never a fault.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Standing by principles is never a fault.

I believe sometimes you have to look at the big picture and understand that sometimes they will fail you.

For example...say the bail out...say your 100% against bail outs...but you know that the cost is..( and lets for the sake of argument say you know these outcomes are more or less true..even if you may not have with the real world bail out)....you know that to not provide the bail out, will plunge the econ into the new Depression, food lines, 25%+ unemployment, and the Deficit will be out of control by even today standards as the GDP crumbles..While we are at this, we know that Iran and North Korea and others will use this time to push there own policy knowing we are in no position to deal with it....Or you bail them out, the econ takes a short term Dip, the debt goes up more then you wanted but manageable at least...unemployment goes up, but no wear near the numbers with out it..and you can still contain nations that worry you in terms of your self deffence...you also can pass new laws that change the system alot to make sure this is very unlikely to happen again...

thats alot of peoples lives you are looking to basically destroy...for principles...and I think one has to weigh those options....

Just think of it as..if you have ever watched Cheppelle show..when keeping it real goes wrong...

sometimes flexibility in the face of overpowering facts...its a principle itself.

 

[PLC1]

Dream on.

We tried the RINO route in 2008 - what was that guy's name?

This time, one of the mythical creatures will appear on a white stallion and ride in to save the day.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Dream on.

We tried the RINO route in 2008 - what was that guy's name?

not sure, was it the one you ran in 2004, and 2000? or the one you ran in 1996...or 1992...or 1988...or 1984...or 1980...

I keep forgetting when you ran a Republican and not a Rino...

when you run "RINO's" for thirty years...at some point...they are just called Republicans.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

This time, one of the mythical creatures will appear on a white stallion and ride in to save the day.

I heard he is Bringing Jesus with him to

 

[Rick]

The problem w/ the GOP is that they campaign on Libertarian princinples and their action do not back it up.

A rare leftwing comment here worth more than a bucket of warm spit. That's because for 20 years, the national GOP has been controlled by RINOs. During that whole time, they took the conservative wing for granted. The recent election shows conservatives aren't taking it anymore - they recognize RINOs as enemy number 1. Lots of RINO sentaors would have gone down except they didn't have to run. More of those will be culled in 2008.

The continued leftwing view of nominal republicans as a homogeneous mass is a laugh and continues to show how imbecilic that view is.

 

[Rick]

not sure, was it the one you ran in 2004, and 2000? or the one you ran in 1996...or 1992...or 1988...or 1984...or 1980

Bush 1 and 2 were RINOs. Calling Reagan a RINO is just another one of your comments (there are many) which shows your perceptions to be idiotic.

I keep forgetting when you ran a Republican and not a Rino...

Riiiiight, because you're an ............. well, never mind.......

 

[PLC1]

Bush 1 and 2 were RINOs. Calling Reagan a RINO is just another one of your comments (there are many) which shows your perceptions idiotic.




Riiiiight, because you're an ............. well, never mind.......

What is it exactly that makes Reagan a real Republican, in your opinion? Was his politics somehow different from those of his successor?

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Bush 1 and 2 were RINOs. Calling Reagan a RINO is just another one of your comments (there are many) which shows your perceptions to be idiotic.




Riiiiight, because you're an ............. well, never mind.......

Please say true or false to these questions...no trying to explain way..just true or false...

1:True or False..Reagan signed into office many tax increases..
T F
2:True or False...Federal Spending increased under Regan,
T F
3:True or False..the goverment payroll increased by more then 60,000 under Regan..while fell 373,000 Under CLinton
T F
4:True or False. Under Regan, taxes where increased to help fund...Medicare and Social Security ...something now called socialism

5:True or False..the Debt went from 700 Billion to 3 trillion While he was in office..

6:True or False..in California...Regan expanded medi-Cal ( socailist medical of course)

7:True or False...Regan negotiated deals with our Enemy...the USSR for one

8:True or False...Regan passed a law that gave Amnesty to nearly 3 million Illegal Imigrants

9:True or false...Regan backed the Brady Bill , and backed still in 1991 when was to be renewed

10:True or False...in the face or a terroist attack by Hezbollah...Regan pulled our troops out of Lebanon...243 U.S Marines where dead, and Hezhollah paid little price for it.

11:True or false...Regan attacked Israel's bombing or Iraq's nuclear Facilities..

12:True or False..2 of Regan's Supreme Court pics...side with the pro choice option of Roe V wade.



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[Gipper]

Palin is hated 1/3 found to be way underqualified buy 1/3 and loved by 1/3...maybe could win a primary..but would then get crushed in a general

I am curious pockets, you being a hardcore lefty, could you enlighten me as to way 1/3 hates Palin? Can you cite intelligent reasons why they hate her?

I am always interested in the minds of libs. So, can you help me out? So, I can keep up with the Liberal Mind. It would mean so much to me.