Which home is safer?

[Little-Acorn]

people who love guns

Name one.

trying to force gun ownership on people like me

Name one person who has done that to you.

Can't you live and let live?

That's what we're trying to do. But the people trying to make laws restricting our right to keep and bear arms, don't seem to support that philosophy, do they? And neither do the people who try to steal things, commit assault, rape, home-invade etc. Perhaps you should direct your moralizing to them, instead of making up fake "crimes" committed against you by law-abiding gun owners?

Guns laws have nothing to do with home safety, as I have stated, based on my own experiences.

And as I have pointed out, they have a lot to do with home safety, through their deterrent effect.

Are you people incapable of listening, or reading, except what you want to hear?

Yes, quite a lot, as has been amply demonstrated in this thread. Try it sometime.

I've never heard of anyone putting up a no guns here sign

That's because fanatics who try to pretend guns bring nothing but eeeevil, don't actually believe it themselves. So, of course they don't put up a no-guns sign. They may be stupid, but they aren't crazy. They oppose guns out of irrational fear and delusion that a society where law-abiding people can't have them (but criminals can), is somehow safer that a society where law-abiding people can deter criminals and protect themselves and their families.

Someone who puts up a no-guns sign like the one in the picture, knows he is throwing away the deterrent effect of a criminal not being sure he won't face an armed homeowner when he breaks into an occupied house or apartment. And he knows that deterrent effect is real... yet he still insists that law-abiding citizens be stripped of their gun rights.

The weird contradictions these strange people live with day to day, and try to impose on normal people through nutty laws, defy all logic and common sense sometimes.

 

[samsara15]

No one has said anything about taking away your precious guns. If I wanted a gun, I'd buy one. You can sit in your house and fondle them to your heart's content, if that's how you get your jollies.

I believe in gun registeration, and making the firing of a gun as traceable to the gun as possible. I do not believe people need assault weapons. I believe in making it as easy as possible for law enforcement agencies to trace any gun which was used in a crime to its last known owner. If that makes me a fanatic, so be it.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

From my neck of the wilderness {middle America} my 22 rifle is used for raccoons/opossums/skunks that become to familiar during the season for rabies. Small rural areas such as mine get hit by many a methlab manufacturer looking for things that they can sell/steal...weapons locked up and weapons kept in your house are the #1 things that they remove and take with them...when NO ONE IS HOME!!!

How pray tell is that keeping your home safe???

Jesus, people, just because you are armed up the 'ying-yang' doesn't mean that you are safe...they break in when your not home and steal your stuff and away they go!

 

[Little-Acorn]

the #1 things that they remove and take with them...when NO ONE IS HOME!!!

How pray tell is that keeping your home safe???

(sigh) we seem to have a bumper crop here, of people who either haven't bothered reading the thread, or who have very short attention spans for what they did read. Keep in mind that a home invasion is one wher the criminals come in while the occupant(s) are home.

Once more, for those poor souls:

The home on the right (with the target) is safer, because home-invaders are far more likely to skip it entirely and go elsewhere. The one on the left (with the no-guns sign), though, is just the kind of place the home-invaders like the most: One likely with victims who can't fight back and hurt them.

 

[samsara15]

I don't stay up day and night worrying about someone breaking into my house. If you live in that rough of a neighborhood, then perhaps you should consider moving to another neighborhood.

A gun won't help me when I'm not at home. Then they might steal the gun, too.

For most of my security needs, locking up and stronger doors and windows is the best I can do.

If you want to use your guns to come shoot the deer in my yard, I welcome you with open arms, albeit firing a gun outside, in the urban area where I live, is probably illegal. I won't tell!

 

[Little-Acorn]

No one has said anything about taking away your precious guns.

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." - Former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno

“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.” - Joseph Stalin

"Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." - Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control, to Sen. Howard Metzanbaum, The National Educator, January 1994.

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of Americans to feel safe." Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), US Senator, 1993

...plus a host of other such comments by various lawmakers. Want some more?

I believe that takes care of the latest samsara lie.

If I wanted a gun, I'd buy one.

Isn't freedom wonderful? (A question that should really be addressed to the people quoted above)

(two more samasara smears and lies deleted without comment)

I do not believe people need assault weapons.

Then you are equally free to not buy one. (See above question about freedom)

I believe in making it as easy as possible for law enforcement agencies to trace any gun which was used in a crime to its last known owner.

Does the fact that this would also make it "as easy as possible" for a tyrannical government to trace any and all guns, to the hands of people who wish to use them against that tyrannical government, bother you at all?

If that makes me a fanatic, so be it.

It be, it be.

(do you suppose that this person is even aware, that a "fanatic" in this description is one who steadfastly refuses to look at contrary evidence, no matter how legitimate and important?)

 

[samsara15]

If you consider me a liar and fanatic, Acorn, that must mean I'm doing well. I have not slurred or insulted you in this thread, have I?

Joseph Stalin is not posting here, as far as I know. If he is, he should be posting in the religious forum.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

you know for someone who cried straw man, he is doing a good job himself here, as no one has said ban guns.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

(sigh) we seem to have a bumper crop here, of people who either haven't bothered reading the thread, or who have very short attention spans for what they did read. Keep in mind that a home invasion is one wher the criminals come in while the occupant(s) are home.

Once more, for those poor souls:

The home on the right (with the target) is safer, because home-invaders are far more likely to skip it entirely and go elsewhere. The one on the left (with the no-guns sign), though, is just the kind of place the home-invaders like the most: One likely with victims who can't fight back and hurt them.

{{heavier sigh}} or we have a mindset of 'YOU' that seem to think that 'A SIGN' will circumvent a thief intent on braking into your house...ROTFLMAO

SHHHH don't tell those criminals about that 'MAGIC SIGN' because some of those lessor thinking criminals DON'T CARE WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE HOME...THEY COME INSIDE ANYWAY!!! But continue on with you sprinkling the 'fairy dust' of MAKE BELIEVE and those same said criminals will laugh all the way to the local fence to dispose of their latest rewards!!!

Jeez Louise...a sign...really & truly a sign is going to make the difference...

Hey, I've got some wonderful ocean front property available...but the catch is you'll need to wait until the global warming is completed and then you'll see the ocean...LMAO

 

[pocketfullofshells]

{{heavier sigh}} or we have a mindset of 'YOU' that seem to think that 'A SIGN' will circumvent a thief intent on braking into your house...ROTFLMAO

SHHHH don't tell those criminals about that 'MAGIC SIGN' because some of those lessor thinking criminals DON'T CARE WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE HOME...THEY COME INSIDE ANYWAY!!! But continue on with you sprinkling the 'fairy dust' of MAKE BELIEVE and those same said criminals will laugh all the way to the local fence to dispose of their latest rewards!!!

Jeez Louise...a sign...really & truly a sign is going to make the difference...

Hey, I've got some wonderful ocean front property available...but the catch is you'll need to wait until the global warming is completed and then you'll see the ocean...LMAO

its kinda like putting a blinking light in your car to make someone think they have a alarm lol. if the sign worked, who needs a gun, paper sign is all you need lol

 

[Mr. Shaman]

If they know that no one is home, it does not matter.

Strong windows and doors, a burglar alarm, and maybe a dog, if you really have a problem.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!​

I always slept, really-well....and, never had to worry-about fumbling-around (for a gun), when my English Staffy "Rusty" was on-the-job!!

*****

(Almost a spittin'-image of Rusty.)

​

 

[Dr.Who]

The people most likely to break in your home are the cops and the DEA, who often brreak into the wrong homes. They have far more offensive weaponry than any citizen, and they can't be stopped. Remember Ruby Ridge.

I did not say that home attacks happened often. I said they were extremely rare, in a major metropolitan area. Call the cops with your cell phone if attacked. Call your neighbors.

As for the far out-numbered quote I made, I was recalling a recent incident in which a local official shot and wounded two innocent men delivering furniture to his home. Did you miss the words 'trigger happy'?
Anyone who conducts an armed attack on a home in this area is both crazy and of limited intelligence, because many, many people will both hear and see it occur, and the cops will be there very soon, because something about the sound of breaking and entering strong doors and windows draws a lot of attention. If you have a problem, keep the cops phone number nearby, get strong doors and windows, and lock up.

If you love guns, you are welcome to them, but don't bother with the rationalization that they make you any safer in your home.

The main reason people are arguing is that they don't make one safer is because they want to take away guns.

The NRA publishes articles about people who stopped home invasions every month.

Home invasions are very common. And the response time of the police is way too slow for comfort.

But if you are worried about the safety of guns in homes then don't have any in your home.

 

[Dr.Who]

Never said they cant have one, just that its more likey it will be used against them then ever protect them,

It could be. But is the the decision of the home owner to make.

 

[Dr.Who]

My neighbor had a teenage son who ran around with some hoody kids. They broke a window on the front door and opened the door when no one was home. The second time, again when no one was home, they broke a window in the cellar to get in. Once, years later, he stole the license plates off my car because he was out of work and had lost his own tags. I felt sorry for him and let him off when he was caught and we went to court. Thank you please, Dr Who, I don't want be known as someone who shot my neighbor's kids, even if they are lowlifes.

Given the situation you described you would not have been the one who shot them because you were not home to shoot them.

If they had decided to break in when you were home, then you would have been a witness and a liability, and if they were reckless enough to break in while you were home then they might have posed a greater danger to you. It is your decision to make about whether or not you will have a gun for when and if they break in while you are home.

I personally don't have a gun but think it is important to counter the arguments that some others make BECAUSE they want to eliminate the constitutional right to have a gun.

 

[Dr.Who]

Well, enough subject changing and strawman answers. Time to point out the real answer.

The home on the right (with the target) is safer, because home-invaders are far more likely to skip it entirely and go elsewhere. The one on the left (with the no-guns sign), though, is just the kind of place the home-invaders like the most: One likely with victims who can't fight back and hurt them.

"Gun control laws are the criminal's OSHA. They provide him a safe working environment."

Well I am actually goin to disagree with you.

Guns make homes safer because criminals don't know if they will encounter a gun owner when they get in.

But if one posts a silly sign on the door then when no one is home they will break in specifically to steal the guns. Then again if they break in when no one is home they have not made the home any less safe.