When will the "BUSH LIED!!!" crowd start complaining about Nancy Pelosi's fibs?

[PLC1]

It doesn't always work that way.

Republicans have bashed their own too if they have been found to do things they should not have, where democrats usually come to the defense of their own when they do something they should not. The Gov. of Illinois is about the only exception I know of.



Republicans and democrats alike were openly disgusted in Larry Craig and Mark Foley but democrats never minded that Barney Frank ran a homosexual prostitution ring out of his apartment, and its just homophobic if I even bring it up they would tell me.

The difference is Larry Craig and Mark Foley are gone, kicked out by their own party... Barney Frank on the other hand is protected by his own party and they will attack you if you even mention his homosexual brothel.

I think what the thread starter meant was when are the democrats are going to be consistent. If you are going to bash someone for something then bash everyone for it, not just those in another party.

Well, Republicans do seem to be less forgiving of sexual misconduct, that is true. Partisan politics being that they are, though, the name of the game is usually to bash the other party while protecting one's own.

Going back to Lyndon Johnson, Democrats had no problem bashing a Democrat for having sent troops into an unnecessary war.

Jimmy Carter was roundly denounced by both parties when the economy went sour, with only a few die hards pointing out that the root of the economic woes was OPEC.

Democrats weren't happy with Clinton and the spectacle of him lying under oath to cover up a sexual tryst, even while saying that the affair was no big deal.

But, in general, it's Republicans who bash Democrats, and vice versa.

 

[PLC1]

I wonder how one becomes a registered independent.

You check "independent" on your voter registration card.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Congress, when briefed on the matter, could have ended the program if they wanted to. The fact was they saw no problem with it until it became a political issue.

Yeah.....BUSHCO was always so responsive to public-demands!!!

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[BigRob]

Yeah.....BUSHCO was always so responsive to public-demands!!!

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You did not address the issue.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I suppose we could have passed another 17 UN Security Council Resolutions and sent angry letters.

....Or, Hell.....maybe (even) listening to the folks who KNEW what was going-on!

Whatta concept, huh?

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[BigRob]

....Or, Hell.....maybe (even) listening to the folks who KNEW what was going-on!

Whatta concept, huh?

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Or we could, and did, listen to our intelligence services, as well as intelligence services all around the world.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Republicans have bashed their own too if they have been found to do things they should not have....

Yeah....and, we could always rely-on The Idiot Son taking-care-of those folks who screwed-up, as well.

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[Mr. Shaman]

Well, Republicans do seem to be less forgiving of sexual misconduct, that is true.

.....As-long-as it's someone-else!

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[foggedinn]

Or we could, and did, listen to our intelligence services, as well as intelligence services all around the world.

Intelligence services the world over all seem to approach their tasks with the same mindset/set of assumptions. They use much the same sources and methods, with minor variations. When one of them gets it wrong, they all get it wrong.

It seems in the lead up to the Iraq war, the intelligence services were actually the only ones to get it wrong. The publicly available information was better than the covert intelligence; unless of course, their keeping something secret from us.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Or we could, and did, listen to our intelligence services, as well as intelligence services all around the world.

Yeah, we hardly (that's NOT-hardly; for Bush fans) need any input from the actual INSPECTORS, right??

You "conservatives" need to disregard the idea that you only need to...close your eyes...cross your fingers...click your heels, together...and, the obvious...the FACTS...will "magically" disappear!!

It hasn't worked, for you, so far......

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[Mr. Shaman]

It seems in the lead up to the Iraq war, the intelligence services were actually the only ones to get it wrong. The publicly available information was better than the covert intelligence; unless of course, their keeping something secret from us.

Yeah, that damned Librul-media.

Ya' can't take 'em, anywhere!!!!!​

March 2002

"The US has been secretly sending prisoners suspected of al-Qaida connections to countries where torture during interrogation is legal, according to US diplomatic and intelligence sources."​

February 2003

"Says "an official who has supervised the capture and transfer of accused terrorists, 'If you don't violate someone's human rights some of the time, you probably aren't doing your job.' " Another official is quoted: "We don't kick the [expletive] out of them. We send them to other countries so they can kick the [expletive] out of them."​

 

[Andy]

Yeah, that damned Librul-media.

Ya' can't take 'em, anywhere!!!!!​

Of course our government is sending Al Qaeda suspects to countries where they employ torture. Why do you think Bush opened Gitmo? It was so we didn't have to do that.

Now that Obama has closed Gitmo, he expanded rendition... what's rendition? It's to allow our military and CIA to send Al Qaeda suspects to other countries where they can torture them to get information.

You act like this is "NEW". We've been telling you this for ages.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Of course our government is sending Al Qaeda suspects to countries where they employ torture. Why do you think Bush opened Gitmo? It was so we didn't have to do that.

Now that Obama has closed Gitmo, he expanded rendition... what's rendition? It's to allow our military and CIA to send Al Qaeda suspects to other countries where they can torture them to get information.

You act like this is "NEW". We've been telling you this for ages.

Like I said, Skippy.....you keep settin' 'em UP.....and, I'll keep SLAPPIN' 'EM DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Executive Order 13440

The Military Commissions Act defines certain prohibitions of Common Article 3 for United States law, and it reaffirms and reinforces the authority of the President to interpret the meaning and application of the Geneva Conventions."​

EXECUTIVE ORDER -- ENSURING LAWFUL INTERROGATIONS

"Executive Order 13440 of July 20, 2007, is revoked."

".....such persons shall in all circumstances be treated humanely and shall not be subjected to violence to life and person (including murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment, and torture), nor to outrages upon personal dignity (including humiliating and degrading treatment), whenever such individuals are in the custody or under the effective control of an officer, employee, or other agent of the United States Government or detained within a facility owned, operated, or controlled by a department or agency of the United States."​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww......what're Dick de Sade's fans gonna do, NOW??!!​

"Graham claimed he would have remembered if he’d been told about the use of torture. “Something as unexpected and dramatic as that would be the kind of thing that you would normally expect to recall even years later,” he said."​

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[BigRob]

Intelligence services the world over all seem to approach their tasks with the same mindset/set of assumptions. They use much the same sources and methods, with minor variations. When one of them gets it wrong, they all get it wrong.

It seems in the lead up to the Iraq war, the intelligence services were actually the only ones to get it wrong. The publicly available information was better than the covert intelligence; unless of course, their keeping something secret from us.

True, they got it wrong, but that fact by itself takes away the "Bush lied" argument. If you rely on flawed intelligence, it is not your fault if it turns out to be wrong.