We Can and Will Force Christians to Act Against Their Faith

[Dawkinsrocks]

Eeek

What horror

Noooooo, it's the end of the world as we know it

The roman catholic church is a mafia bank

A haven for paedofiles

An extorter of money from the poor

A peddler of superstition over science

A murdering bunch of thieving perverts

Is that acting against their faith?

 

[Texas_tea]

Baker forced to make gay wedding cakes, undergo sensitivity training, after losing lawsuit

A family owned bakery has been ordered to make wedding cakes for gay couples and guarantee that its staff be given comprehensive training on Colorado’s anti-discrimination laws after the state’s Civil Rights Commission determined the Christian baker violated the law by refusing to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

Can and Will .....

 

[dogtowner]

Baker forced to make gay wedding cakes, undergo sensitivity training, after losing lawsuit

A family owned bakery has been ordered to make wedding cakes for gay couples and guarantee that its staff be given comprehensive training on Colorado’s anti-discrimination laws after the state’s Civil Rights Commission determined the Christian baker violated the law by refusing to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

Can and Will .....

I read they will discontinue making wedding cakes. I expect those are higher margin so loss of that business hurts but if it allows them to stay true to their beliefs glad it works out. Of course there is a way to get around this stuff. We will see if it occurs to them.

 

[Texas_tea]

I read they will discontinue making wedding cakes. I expect those are higher margin so loss of that business hurts but if it allows them to stay true to their beliefs glad it works out. Of course there is a way to get around this stuff. We will see if it occurs to them.

They need to follow Magpul to Texas. Face it, socialism/marxism/Colorado is just bad for business!

 

[PLC1]

They need to follow Magpul to Texas. Face it, socialism/marxism/Colorado is just bad for business!

Because part of the Communist Manifesto was the necessity of making cakes for gay weddings?

 

[Texas_tea]

Government to Farmers: Host Same-Sex Wedding or Pay a $13,000 Fine

Should the government be able to coerce a family farm into hosting a same-sex wedding?

In a free society, the answer is no. Family farms should be free to operate in accordance with the beliefs and values of their owners. Government shouldn’t be able to fine citizens for acting in the market according to their own—rather than the government’s—values, unless there is a compelling government interest being pursued in the least restrictive way possible.

But the New York State Division of Human Rights doesn’t see things this way. On August 8, it fined Cynthia and Robert Gifford $13,000 for acting on their belief that marriage is the union of a man and woman and thus declining to rent out their family farm for a same-sex wedding celebration. The Human Rights Commission ruled that “the nature and circumstances of the [Giffords’s] violation of the Human Rights Law also warrants a penalty.”

This is coercive big government run amok.

 

[Iolo2]

What has all this anti-homosexual crap got to do with Christianity? Are there any Christians in America, and if so, where?

 

[PLC1]

Government to Farmers: Host Same-Sex Wedding or Pay a $13,000 Fine

Should the government be able to coerce a family farm into hosting a same-sex wedding?

In a free society, the answer is no. Family farms should be free to operate in accordance with the beliefs and values of their owners. Government shouldn’t be able to fine citizens for acting in the market according to their own—rather than the government’s—values, unless there is a compelling government interest being pursued in the least restrictive way possible.

But the New York State Division of Human Rights doesn’t see things this way. On August 8, it fined Cynthia and Robert Gifford $13,000 for acting on their belief that marriage is the union of a man and woman and thus declining to rent out their family farm for a same-sex wedding celebration. The Human Rights Commission ruled that “the nature and circumstances of the [Giffords’s] violation of the Human Rights Law also warrants a penalty.”

This is coercive big government run amok.

Do businesses retain the right to refuse service to anyone? In Nevada and Oregon, the signs in small businesses indicate that they do. In liberal California, there are no such signs. It's been a long time since I've been to NY, but apparently they don't there either.

Whether they should or not is a bit of a sticky subject. On the one hand, there's the right of owners to control their own private property. On the other, there's the civil rights laws.

I think the question is: If a business can refuse services to a gay couple, can they refuse them to an interracial couple, or to anyone whose demographic they dislike?

And if they can, what of the rights of minorities?

And Lolo brings up a good point: What has any of the anti gay issue have to do with Christianity?

 

[cashmcall]

What has all this anti-homosexual crap got to do with Christianity? Are there any Christians in America, and if so, where?

RIGHT HERE..Amen

 

[GBFan]

What has all this anti-homosexual crap got to do with Christianity? Are there any Christians in America, and if so, where?

Yoohoo --- over here!!

 

[Texas_tea]

Do businesses retain the right to refuse service to anyone? In Nevada and Oregon, the signs in small businesses indicate that they do. In liberal California, there are no such signs. It's been a long time since I've been to NY, but apparently they don't there either.

Whether they should or not is a bit of a sticky subject. On the one hand, there's the right of owners to control their own private property. On the other, there's the civil rights laws.

I think the question is: If a business can refuse services to a gay couple, can they refuse them to an interracial couple, or to anyone whose demographic they dislike?

And if they can, what of the rights of minorities?

And Lolo brings up a good point: What has any of the anti gay issue have to do with Christianity?

Where does it stop?

Vermont Restaurant Removes Bacon Sign After A Single Muslim Complaint

 

[Iolo2]

RIGHT HERE..Amen

Behind you?

 

[PLC1]

Where does it stop?

Vermont Restaurant Removes Bacon Sign After A Single Muslim Complaint

Sounds like another made up internet story, but apparently it's not. Here's another source:

Saturday morning the restaurant posted to Facebook, “We are here to serve people BREAKFAST, not politics. We removed the sign that was located on public property as a gesture of respect for our diverse community. There were also concerns raised about safety(emphasis added). Removing it was not a difficult decision. We still love bacon. We still love eggs. Please have the political conversation elsewhere.”

Restaurant owners told WPTZ that they attempted to contact the woman who posted the comment and proactively took the sign down.

safety concerns????

 

[cashmcall]

I read they will discontinue making wedding cakes. I expect those are higher margin so loss of that business hurts but if it allows them to stay true to their beliefs glad it works out. Of course there is a way to get around this stuff. We will see if it occurs to them.

Denying goods or services to someone based on religious conviction is shameful and discriminatory. And if that's religious conviction, to hell with it. Literally.

This is not a thought experiment. This is not an exchange of ideas. We are dealing with real people, real convictions, and real love here. So you can have all the feelings and positions on this issue that you want, but you should just know that I'm not really interested in it anymore.

I have yet to hear about the story of the Christian baker who asked couples to fill out a survey covering areas of sin where they still might be guilty. Because why would the Christian baker support the marriage of the cheater? Or the divorced? Or the gossiper? Or the liar? Or the drinker? Or the having sex before marriage group ...

Oh. Wait. The drinker.

We've stumbled into a theological grey area. Because Christians don't agree on this. And actually, Christians don't always agree on what counts as gossip, as sinful divorce. Even whether or not gay marriage is a sin.
So wait. Whose Christianity is it?

Mine doesn't look like yours. But I think we're still called of Jesus, despite that. I think we're still called friends of God.

Will bakeries be declining to make cakes for gossips and slanderers and the proud also?

If so, then many weddings would be tanked.


I guess what I'm really trying to say is that I would bake the cake.
And I think Jesus would too. As Christians we have to live in this world, but we don’t have to be of it..

I operate from the premise that Jesus is kind.

The end. That’s all. End of list. Go and do.

Because Jesus didn't have to accept my failing, imperfect, unrepentant haphazard being struggling to wrestle toward Him. But He still did.

And I guess that answers that. (I am A conservative Christian. If we're into labels.)
BUT, I firmly believe they should have the right not to bake the cake.. The Government should stay out of these issues..