Was Obama calling Palin a pig?

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Boy, I joined this forum in hopes that people here were intellectually minded in debating certain issues. But all I've seen is people saying I don't understand the english language (eventhough some think a police chief has more power than a mayor) and now this ridiculous claim that Obama called Palin a pig. Why did you guys just post the lipstick on a pig part? Why not the rest of the words he said after?

Incase you didn't know, this is what he said:
Link-> http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/a-piggish-debat.html

Tonight Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of McCain painting himself as a change agent, "You know, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."

The crowd rose and applauded.

(Some of them no doubt were thinking he may have been in some way alluding to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's ad lib during her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech last week, "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.")

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,'" Obama continued, "it's still gonna stink after eight years. We’ve had enough of the same old thing! It’s time to bring about real change to Washington. And that’s the choice you’ve got in this election."

Obama's campaign insisted that he was not alluding to Palin at all.

"That expression is older than my grandfather's grandfather," said Obama campaign spox Jen Psaki, "and it means that you can dress something up but it doesn't change what it is. He was talking pretty clearly about the fact that you can't just call yourself change when you've voted with George Bush 90 percent of the time."
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Why not the outcry when McCain said this about Hillary Clinton:

Last October, asked about Sen. Hillary Clinton's health care plan, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was blunt.

McCain said Clinton's proposal was “eerily” similar to the ill-fated plan she devised in 1993.

“I think they put some lipstick on a pig,” he said, “but it’s still a pig.”
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Geez, if any of you is to make a big deal of this comment then seriously help is needed and should be sought after on your part.
 
Decisions_Are_Mine said:
Boy, I joined this forum in hopes that people here were intellectually minded in debating certain issues. But all I've seen is people saying I don't understand the english language (eventhough some think a police chief has more power than a mayor) and now this ridiculous claim that Obama called Palin a pig. Why did you guys just post the lipstick on a pig part? Why not the rest of the words he said after?

Incase you didn't know, this is what he said:
Link-> http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/a-piggish-debat.html



Why not the outcry when McCain said this about Hillary Clinton:



Geez, if any of you is to make a big deal of this comment then seriously help is needed and should be sought after on your part.
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There are no "you guys" there is just me. I am the one who created this thread and I am the one who found the link. That was the only link I could find. I didnt know there was more to what he said, I heard the clip on the top of the hour news coming home and I googled to find that link and found it.

As for the John McCain quote, I had not heard it till just now, it also is not very nice. I wonder when McCain had made that comment about her, had Hillary just days earlier said anything like Sarah said about lip stick? Was there any reason to think he was calling "her" the pig because just days earlier she had said something about being a senator in lipstick or being a mom in lipstick? I am not the only one who thinks it was a slam on Palin, your own post said he had to assure people it was not personal, he would not have if it had not been taken that way.

I am sorry that the hop or my thread are not good enough for you. I hope from here on out people will have enough respect to make threads to your liking
 
TruthAboveAll said:
The Dems better learn quick that Sarah Palin is not Hilary Clinton. She is not from the old school of kicking dirt and mud on your opponent where Hilary will come out with her still impressive staff of attack dogs. Do that with Sarah, and she'll say "Oh yeah? Well there was this at first. Then these factors came in. Then info and these studies came in, and over the next ..... months do I've faced that my original decisions were based on incomplete and erroneous information which leave us in an unsupportable position in light of the new information. It would be irresponsible to for anyone in any level of leadership to not adjust their dicisions, goals, policies and public addresses when they've been made privy to improved data.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
This one is funny. If there is one thing that Sarah has, it is a THIN skin. I have looked for a link to this, but she was criticized during a campaign visit to one of the villages in western Alaska about her views on Native issues, she left the tribal hall in tears. Now maybe with the national GOP attack machine behind her she will fare better, but she has shown herself to be overly emotional and taking political attacks in a personal nature.
Also, your notion of her changing her mind when further evidence comes to light is inaccurate. She certainly did not do that through the AGIA process. Right now she is pushing for a Canadian company to STUDY a gas pipeline, when a more feasible privately funded project is in the process as well outside of AGIA. When it comes to energy issues, Palin is a socialist so far.
 
Bunz said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
This one is funny. If there is one thing that Sarah has, it is a THIN skin. I have looked for a link to this, but she was criticized during a campaign visit to one of the villages in western Alaska about her views on Native issues, she left the tribal hall in tears. Now maybe with the national GOP attack machine behind her she will fare better, but she has shown herself to be overly emotional and taking political attacks in a personal nature.
Also, your notion of her changing her mind when further evidence comes to light is inaccurate. She certainly did not do that through the AGIA process. Right now she is pushing for a Canadian company to STUDY a gas pipeline, when a more feasible privately funded project is in the process as well outside of AGIA. When it comes to energy issues, Palin is a socialist so far.
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Did Sarah or her family ever do anything against you? It is so strange I have listened to interview after interview of random people who have known her from child hood to people walking down the streets in Alaska and everyone has something nice to say about her. You seem to dislike the family, mabye you dont but it seems that way when I read your posts.

did they do something to you? you should email PMS NBC or cnn or well any of them and let them know you can say things about the family that others are not, they might come out and interview you
 
TruthAboveAll said:
What he said certainly has a very nasty double entendre, at the very least. It's an old saying, and is simply meant as a colorful metaphor showing the fact that you can't dress something up and make it sweet and beautiful when it's ugly, dirty and stinky. Was SBHO having a Freudian slip? Perhaps. And to what degree? Who knows?

The Dems better learn quick that Sarah Palin is not Hilary Clinton. She is not from the old school of kicking dirt and mud on your opponent where Hilary will come out with her still impressive staff of attack dogs. Do that with Sarah, and she'll say "Oh yeah? Well there was this at first. Then these factors came in. Then info and these studies came in, and over the next ..... months do I've faced that my original decisions were based on incomplete and erroneous information which leave us in an unsupportable position in light of the new information. It would be irresponsible to for anyone in any level of leadership to not adjust their dicisions, goals, policies and public addresses when they've been made privy to improved data.

I'm working a few things that in my never be humble opion just might be pretty darn good. Going to my blog, and I'll post it here when they're up. I'd love to know what you think!
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Omigosh, I hate to respond to myself! But when I was reading this, I realized that it was WAY past my bedtime and I think, HOPE, this is the most convoluted post I've ever made here! I think I merged two totally different trains of thought, and threw in a few misspellings to boot...

Either this, or HOP somehow combined two of my responses. Gee, I'd love to think THAT is the reason! :rolleyes:

MY APOLOGIES!
 
What he said certainly has a very nasty double entendre, at the very least. It's an old saying, and is simply meant as a colorful metaphor showing the fact that you can't dress something up and make it sweet and beautiful when it's ugly, dirty and stinky.
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I don't know why he keeps trying it with his wife then :/
 
Decisionsaremine:Why not the outcry when McCain said this about Hillary Clinton:


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Last October, asked about Sen. Hillary Clinton's health care plan, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was blunt.

McCain said Clinton's proposal was “eerily” similar to the ill-fated plan she devised in 1993.

“I think they put some lipstick on a pig,” he said, “but it’s still a pig.”

Geez, if any of you is to make a big deal of this comment then seriously help is needed and should be sought after on your part.
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Hey decisionsaremine,
perhaps that comment from McCain went un-noticed because Hillary never made any reference about using lipstick at any national event.
It just sounds too fishy that Obama would make that comment a week later after the Republican VP was announced and specially after seeing his huge lead in the polls disappear after Palin came in the national spot light...:D
 
Bunz said:
Also, your notion of her changing her mind when further evidence comes to light is inaccurate. She certainly did not do that through the AGIA process. Right now she is pushing for a Canadian company to STUDY a gas pipeline, when a more feasible privately funded project is in the process as well outside of AGIA. When it comes to energy issues, Palin is a socialist so far.
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Uh, Bunz, do the world a favor and QUIT LYING!! You're supposed to be an Alaskan, you're SUPPOSED to be closer to this than any of us, and it seems that you know LESS about it than anyone else. You've already admitted that you didn't know DICK about the Gravina bridge, and even though I've already posted the information REPEATEDLY, you're still going on repeating the same BS about the AGIA!

Now, DO YOUR HOMEWORK before I have to embarass you again.
 
Excuse my choice of words but what the H#$$ is this now? This is the new fight of the week? Grow up Dems and Reps. I remember the speech where McCain used the same line and everyone understood that it was not intended for Ms.Clinton. If we are going to waste valuable time disecting attacks or quotes then "Hockey Moms" can take to the stage if they want. To compare hockey moms to pitbulls can be seen degrading because pitbulls are dogs...right?? We all know what other name is associated with female dogs. Now come on that would be stupid to start a fight over that because we all know she wasn't calling "Hockey Moms" a degrading name. I never had a drink in my life but I think I need a sip.lol

Lipstick on Pitbulls/Lipstick on Pigs= They both would be cute only if the lipstick is red

Things that make you say ummmmm.
 
No, I don't think he was.

I am not a fan of either camp, but I think some are taking Obama's words completely out of context.

It was pretty obvious that he was referring to the use of the term 'change', in that one can indicate or display change of policy by the use of superficial means, but that the 'policy' of McCain actually remains exactly the same.

From a completely unbiased perspective, which I am able to give not being American, I think partisan politics will of course distort the way Americans view this.
 
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