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Texas_tea
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Nice guess Lag ....
But, as usual ... you are wrong. Obama closed the memorials, many are what's called "open air" memorials meaning they need no staffing, to simply inflict as much inconvenience on the American people as possible with the hopes of blaming it all on the Republicans and more specifically the TEA Party members.
But, as the polls are showing .... Obama failed in his attempts of the blame game. The majority of Americans blame Obama and his refusal to negotiate with the Republicans and HIS selectively closing the nations memorials and national parks, forcing elderly out of their homes and closing private businesses!
Lagboltz
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I was talking about national parks and museums being closed, not the open memorials which I think should not have been closed. The majority blame the GOP according to every poll I've seen.
Lagboltz
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What do you think the senate should have done to stop the madness?
Texas_tea
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Yes ....
We are all aware you get your news from Obama's propagandist MSM ..... it's more than evident in all your post.
Texas_tea
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Tried negotiating with the House instead of refusing all offers?
Too many people conveniently ignore that in his 2007 State of the Union message President Bush proposed a sweeping health reform plan that would have replaced the current tax exclusion for employer-provided coverage with standard tax deductions for all individuals and families. The Bush plan called for a tax deduction that would have applied to payroll taxes as well as income taxes. Moreover, if one were worried about non-filers, the subsidy could easily have instead been structured as a refundable tax credit in which case even those without any income taxes would have gotten an additional amount. This is the kind of policy detail that easily could have been negotiated had the Democrats been in a cooperative mood in 2007. They were not. On the contrary, President Bush’s health plan was declared “dead on arrival” by Democrats in 2007. Yet it is Republicans who were tagged as being uncooperative and intransigent when they resisted the misguided direction that Obamacare seemed to be headed. What’s sad is that the Bush plan actually was superior to Obamacare when it comes to providing universal coverage. Remember, Obamacare actually does not provided universal coverage. The latest figures from CBO says that when it is fully implemented in 2016, Obamacare will cut the number of uninsured by only 45%, covering 89% of the non-elderly. Even if illegal immigrants are excluded, this percentage rises to only 92%. In contrast, the Bush plan (without a mandate!) would have cut the number of uninsured by 65%. But that’s ancient history. Consider one of the newest market-oriented health reform plans put on the table by Jim Capretta and Douglas Holtz-Eakin. Compared to Obamacare, this plan would cost roughly the same amount yet cover 22% more (8 million!) uninsured. If there’s a superior alternative to the slow-motion train wreck now being implemented, why wouldn’t the President and Democrats in Congress want to seriously consider it as a replacement? Instead, Mr Obama decided it was important to completely tear apart American healthcare for 15% of people, when 85% had rather things been left in place.
Lagboltz
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Bush's plan would leave everyone to the mercy of insurance companies. The plan revolved around not paying taxes on the first $7,500 of income or the first $15,000 for a family. There would be a subsidy for those at a low income level and not paying taxes, which is a very large percentage. It is hard to see how this reduction in revenue and subsidies could make a dent in the federal debt.
Obamacare has a lot of holes, but one big advantage is that it includes regulatory features that give the people better service, such as,
A requirement that insurers offer the same premium price to all applicants of the same age and geographical location.
A ban on droping policyholders if they become sick
A ban on discrimination on the basis of pre-existing conditions.
Allowing dependents to remain on their parents' insurance plan until their 26th birthday
Removing annual or lifetime coverage caps
Preventive and wellness services such as mammograms and colonoscopies.
Etc.
Lagboltz
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C'mon quit being a troll. We are all aware that you are such a right-wing extremist that you view everyone else as being communist.
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Compromise. But instead they and Obama came out of the gate and said they wouldn't negotiate.
That's not how congress is supposed to work. But we no longer have politicians who care about the country. It's all about party power, to hell with how it operates or how it affects the people.
The country now has one of the worst divides I've ever seen. It's really a shame that Romney lost. He would at least brought the country back to a more respectful center.
Texas_tea
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Stating facts about the MSM is not trolling ..... you are the one who is constantly parroting the false talking points from the MSM ... I am merely responding to it.
And, pointing out the Communist Agenda of the Obama regime does not make me a right-wing extremist as the MSM has told you to say. It makes me informed with facts that you can not dispute .......
Lagboltz
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You made my point.
Texas_tea
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GROWING THE DEBT: US resumes $1.6 billion in Pakistan aid after hiatus
As national debt tops $17T under debt-ceiling agreement, America's costly foreign aid tab is back in crosshairs as report says US is planning to free up more than $1.6B in aid to Pakistan after Kerry's visit with prime minister.
As national debt tops $17T under debt-ceiling agreement, America's costly foreign aid tab is back in crosshairs as report says US is planning to free up more than $1.6B in aid to Pakistan after Kerry's visit with prime minister.
I never said it would make a dent in the debt...
The wrongs of mine and your generation are simple. We seek short term solutions and completely ignore the larger picture. The large picture of course, is ultimately, chaos and Obamacare will help accomplish that.
I cannot speak for all of us, but I can speak to what I have witnessed the last few years.We look for and seek short term solutions because our lives are short. We seek only comfort while we are here. We do not really care about other lives or the people who follow us even though we say we do. We are like the abusive husband who kicks the crap out of his wife every night while telling her how much he loves her.
So what’s really happening here is simple. Our generation (the boomers) have hijacked the earnings of our children. We have saddled them with debt burdens that they can never pay,( I think you said you don't have children) Because the boomers, guys like Obama, Congress, and that Supreme Court, have the POWER to tax you and make it stick. As we grow older now, the boomers have found a path to free health care. It's going to be paid for by the kids or not at all. Because we don't see the bigger picture nor do we really care.
We boomers will all be gone in 40 years. And the harsh reality is- is that we don't really give a crap how you youngsters pay for it. We will not be on this rock anymore. Or so we think.
To the younger generation...I want you to know that what is happening right now is wrong. I am a boomer. I can't apologize for the year I was born anymore than a black man can change the color of his skin. But I still know what happened. We screwed the kids and we continue to do so. We might be the most self centered generation that ever existed.
You know, I wish that we could all claim that we are kind and good, forward thinking people. That our motivations are always pure. But that's bullshit. We are self centered and scared. Some want free health care or as close as THEY can get to it- so that it doesn't impinge on the rest of their retirement dreams. Then they are going to tell you that THEY did Obamacare for your benefit. Because they care about you. That's the sales pitch of delusional lefties.
Other than that- the rest is bullshit. We hijacked your work product (money) and thus some more of your freedom.
I am in awe that so many seemingly intelligent people could act so stupidly and be so short sighted.
To all of you young adults... I am sorry, but a bigger irony is..you got him elected..
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Lagboltz
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It seems that the same myopia is too frequent at many levels.
Govt spending and debt,
Corporate Enrons and financial institutes focusing only on current stock values,
People with no savings maxing out credit cards.
They are all sacrificing long term prosperity for short term gains.
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