The last five of the ten commandments

[Dawkinsrocks]

There you go again

Sanctimony but no substance

You love a bit of killing and have to do all sorts of linguistic gymnastics to justify it you pro death hypocrite

Your gymnastics just aren't very good are they dr death?

 

[Pandora]

one quick google search, just grabbed the first link it gave. Took about 2 seconds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_shall_not_murder

 

[dogtowner]

one quick google search, just grabbed the first link it gave. Took about 2 seconds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_shall_not_murder

he is not interested in facts. but goodhearted of you to try.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Facts?

You're having a laugh aren't you?

In the fictional work known as the bible it says thou shall not kill

But I suppose that to be fair you do have to keep on reinterpreting the bible in an effort to prevent it from looking like the collection of vicious lies that it really is

Oh and also so that it doesn't get in the way of the pro death fundamentalist lobby

Now, I'm just off for my morning walk across the ocean to consult with a talking snake about the sun going round the earth

Back soon

 

[TheJPRD]

I've pointed this out here in the past, but it never hurts to repeat the Truth from time to time: We Conservatives must stay alert to the pseudo-intellectual left's stupidity, and always point it out to them. Otherwise, they'll continue to hoodwink themselves into believing they're smart! Below is another example of their ignorance.

Facts?

Yes, let's talk about facts!

In the fictional work known as the bible it says thou shall not kill

That is NOT what the Bible says! Intelligent Conservatives know that the Hebrew language uses the word "harag" when speaking generally about the taking of a life. That is NOT the word used in the Old Testament's 10 Commandments. The word used in the original Hebrew text is "ratsah". That word is typically understood to mean "The purposeful taking of an innocent human life"! That Hebrew word is more accurately interpreted as "Murder" NOT "Kill"!

It's always interesting to me that lefties point out what they perceive to be the hypocrisy of Christians and Jews in our obedience or lack thereof to the Bible. The lefties never recognize their own hypocrisy which is far more blatant! The left seems to believe that they cannot be hypocritical since they have no moral base upon which they build their behavior. I suppose they believe that they can't be hypocrites since their only moral duty is to do what they want to do???? Isn't that sad?

But I suppose that to be fair you do have to keep on reinterpreting the bible in an effort to prevent it from looking like the collection of vicious lies that it really is

It's the use of the word "kill" in most English translations of the Bible that's the misinterpretation, not the behavior of Conservatives who understand the difference between "innocence" and "guilt"!

Oh and also so that it doesn't get in the way of the pro death fundamentalist lobby

Wrong again, lefty! Do not MURDER!

Now, I'm just off for my morning walk across the ocean to consult with a talking snake about the sun going round the earth. Back soon

Don't hurry back on our account!

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

The bible is a work of fiction stating that for example the sun goes round the earth

It is the basis of your argument and therefore your whole post is the outpouring of delusional drivel

 

[TheJPRD]

Appears to be time for further instruction!

Are a bit of a nuisance for Christians in the US aren't they?

When one tries to live by Commandments that inhibit self-serving and destructive behavior, it's not always easy. Nevertheless, the Old and New Testaments outline numerous rules/commandments that are aimed at making human beings better, knowing that humans are fallable. I find it odd that you criticize the Bible, yet your argument here is NOT that the Commandments are bad, but that Christians don't always obey the Bible?? You obviously despise the Bible, yet you quote the Commandments as if they deserve to be obeyed! If you believe the Bible is drivel, why do you offer up the Ten Commandments as rules that are worthy of respect, and worthy of being obeyed???

Your argument below is NOT a criticism of the Bible, it is a criticism of those who don't obey Biblical Commandments! Nevertheless, let's address your comments, shall we?

Here they are

Proceed.

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Thou shalt not kill.

Oh dear. how many people does the US kill?

Millions in unprovoked warfare against other nations, state murder of innocent people on death row, genocide against native Americans, poverty at home etc

I've already explained that the English word "kill" is a mis-translation of the original Hebrew word that is most accurately represented by the English word "murder". It was not considered "murder" to kill a guilty person or an enemy who's trying to kill you! As for killing innocent people, you may want to include the innocents killed by Islamic terrorists and the innocents scalped and tortured to death by Native Americans. You'll probably be surprised to discover that white Christians, Jews, and Americans aren't the only groups who've made mistakes. Pretending that they are is Racist and bigotted!

7.

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Now how many of you lot observe this one? Especially those of you who get the chance to go beyond coveting your neighbours ass?

So, you have statistics that support your claim that Christians and Jews are more likely to commit adultery than are Muslims, Hindus, Native Americans, etc? You're missing the point, and that's not surprising! Your post in no way attacks the Bible nor the Ten Commandments. Your attack is against those Christians and Jews who may not abide by the Ten Commandments 100% of the time. As an atheist and as a Jew-hater, do YOU obey the Ten Commandments? OR, is this post of your's just another gas-bag, bigotted attack on Christians, Jews, and Americans in general???

8.

Thou shalt not steal.

Unless you want some oil or minerals or money or people or land in which case you can just overlook this one

Here's another gas-bag series of claims that are false! Our nation doesn't even leverage our OWN oil, gas, coal, and mineral resources, let alone "steal" them from others! You may want to request copies of the cashed checks we've paid for such resources to Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Iraq, Kuwait, etc. etc. etc. If you're going to make baseless claims that the US has stolen land from others, you should provide examples of an ongoing policy of such thefts! Making unsupported statements doesn't cut it!

9.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Unless your neighbour is Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro or in fact anyone you don't like

ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez are your examples of poor souls who've suffered lying accusations against them by the bad-ole' USA???.... or have they been falsely accused ONLY by US Chrstians and Jews? Your hateful bigotry is mind-boggling!

10.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Unless your neighbour has oil in which case you can not only covet it but take it

Ok, don't just mouth-off with big generalizations, provide your examples of the USA stealing other people's oil! PLEASE don't try to tell us that the ONLY Americans who perpetrate this imagined theft of oil are Christians and Jews! What pathetic bull!

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

The US committed genocide against the native Americans

If you are denying that you are insane

I bet you get cross about holocaust denial

Well the US did the same thing to steal land of the natives

 

[dogtowner]

The US committed genocide against the native Americans

If you are denying that you are insane

I bet you get cross about holocaust denial

Well the US did the same thing to steal land of the natives

it was just an extention of ghe european policy of colonial expansion.
if you find it objectionable at least direct blame appropriatly. euros made no bones about their intentions with wars among themselves or in their pursuit of new resources.

of course its not unique to europe. its common worldwide including those native americans you pity.

 

[TheJPRD]

The US committed genocide against the native Americans

If you are denying that you are insane

I bet you get cross about holocaust denial

Well the US did the same thing to steal land of the natives

This is much like trying to debate a shrub..... a very small, bigotted shrub! The United States did NOT committ genocide against native Americans, kid! As evidence of my claim, allow me to point out the monies spent every year on native American welfare, native Americans who are ALIVE. Native Americans still live in the USA, and were not wiped off the face of the earth as Hitler tried his best to do with the Jewish people! You will be amazed to hear that the novel "Last of the Mohicans" was misleading. Mohicans were never wiped out, and descendants of that tribe still live in the USA. As native Americans still live in the USA, are supported in many instances by American taxpayers, your claim of genocide is FALSE! You may wish to ask members of those native American tribes now running casinos all over the USA whether they're being discriminated against in any way. I DO deny that any policy of genocide against native Americans was ever implemented!

I do get cross with those who deny the Holocaust. The USA never did anything even slightly comparable to the Holocaust! Claiming that we did is insane!

In this thread, you continue to miss the important point. While I do NOT claim that white Americans are 100% innocent in the history of our nation, you continue to claim that native Americans WERE 100% innocent. While I do NOT claim that all Muslims are guilty of terrorism and murder, you DO claim that Christians and Jews are guilty for all the world's ills! Persons of every race, religion, and skin color have been guilty of some evil behavior in history. I do not deny that. Your problem is that you ONLY accuse Christians, Jews, those with white skin color, and America of guilt. Your position is Racist, bigotted, hateful, and WRONG. You should be ashamed!

 

[Dr.Who]

All humans are sinners...even YOU. We Christians strive to live by the Ten Commandments, but often fail. Does this mean we are hypocrites and deserving of death....in your mind?

I don't strive to live by the ten. I strive to make my Lord proud, to bring Him glory, and show my gratitude for the salvation and blessings given to me. I do not even know all ten because the law has been fulfilled.

 

[Dr.Who]

I'm always amazed how people that don't believe in religion seem so obsessed by it.

The Holy Spirit is ever whispering. That was my experience as a former atheist - it was quite annoying too.

 

[dogtowner]

I don't strive to live by the ten. I strive to make my Lord proud, to bring Him glory, and show my gratitude for the salvation and blessings given to me. I do not even know all ten because the law has been fulfilled.

and they boil down to to what you dtrive for as Chridt explained

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

I suppose the US didn't nuke Japan?

I like you JPRD

Your re-writing of history can make the world so much better retrospectively

I bet those million dead Iraqis are alive and well like those lying Vietnamese, Afghanis etc

 

[TheJPRD]

I'm re-writing history? You must try to learn how to use your brain to good effect, kid! Your lack of logic is mindboggling! Let's address your flawed logic and your selectively-leftwing view of history, shall we?

I suppose the US didn't nuke Japan?

Yes, the USA nuked Japan! Would you have thanked the Japanese military for attacking Pearl Harbor, for killing millions of innocent Chinese men, women, and children (an estimated 1/4 million in Nanking alone), for torturing American, British, and Austrailian captives during the war, for the nation's warlike mentality that insisted that the entire Pacific region should be owned by Japan, etc? Talk about "Stealing land", the Japanese were experts at it! The US didn't start the war, kid, Japan did! If the US had lost that war to Japan, Americans would have been enslaved by the Japanese. The USA re-built Japan into one of the more successful and productive nations on earth! The number of Japanese killed by the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs is estimated to be in the mid-low 100-thousands, a similar number to those murdered in Nanking by the Japanes up-close and personal with the victims hands tied behind their backs. Had the US been forced to invade Japan in 1945, US losses were estimated to be 1 million dead, and Japanese losses were expected to be in the multiple millions! If you think the US would have been smarter to let Japan enslave the peoples of the Pacific rim rather than destroy their criminal government, I'd like to see you defend your position! If you believe the US would have been smarter and kinder to have invaded Japan rather than nuke two cities, I'd like to see you defend the huge additional loss of life!

I bet those million dead Iraqis are alive and well like those lying Vietnamese, Afghanis etc

The US hasn't killed a million Iraqis, but it's useless to argue numbers since everyone has a different one. You would have preferred to have left Iraq in the hands of Sadam Hussein? I saw the Iraq war from this perspective: We removed one of the worst dictators in the history of the middle east. Should we have done that? I said at the time that history would eventually prove whether the Iraqi people deserved being liberated from Sadam. The Iraqi people would either take good advantage of the liberty handed to them via the deaths of American heros, OR they'd prove to the world that they didn't deserve liberation. It's looking pretty bad right now, but the answer isn't yet certain. IF Iraq becomes a productive, peaceful, and inclusive society, the war will be proven to have been a orrect decision. If, however, Iraq heads in the direction of most Islamic nations, the war will have been a waste of good Americans in pursuit of freedom for a population who deserve freedom! Time will tell. The same thing holds true for Afghanistan.