The Conservative Hypocrisy...

[Furious George]

I just read the very first post here by Furious George, and it almost made me cheer aloud. Liberals ARE trying to maintain the principles that democracy was founded on. YES, we are patriotic.

I am in no sense a 'traditional liberal', but I have a very staunch motherly-guardian attitude towards democracy.

People think they are doing good for Democracy by supporting wire-tapping and secret prisons, but all they are doing is slowly dismantling what they are actually defending. A paradox in itself. I attribute this to the lack of education and intellectualism you will often find me *sneaking* into my posts.

 

[Furious George]

America has multiple value systems. It is not only Liberals that are trying to protect those principles, but conservatives too.

This is quite true, but also in this truth, it is also quite evident that while they are PROTECTING our rights, it is only temporary and served for a short amount of time. In order to be effective, you must worry about the future, and the present. In this sense, Conservatives are the ones that will eventually lead to our downfall. They are in favor of giving their leader more power--this will inevitably, and undeniably lead to a totalitarian state, as history has shown us. Look at how Hitler came about, he was a Right-Wing leader, who came to Power when the masses thought they needed a strong, steadfast leader to get them out of their massive depression. (Remember, at the time, the German currency was almost a trillionth of what is was years earlier)

The founders of America beleived in Capitalism (along with a small government), it was one of their strongest ideas. When was the last time you heard a liberal group promote the idea of a free market. Hardly, if ever!

True. But--Capitalism, laissez faire specifically, is a totally Liberal ideology. Adam Smith anyone? He also theorized on individual's and women's rights. His views were extremely radical for his time, and in the present, are now considered default, and are even embraced by Conservatives.

Did Adam Smith every forsee the many negatives that would come out of Capitalism? Obviously--which is why many Liberals today are Socialists and Communists--they realized that Capitalism and Democracy as we know are not what are originally framed in the Constitution. Consumers rights are almost paramount, while Individual's rights are left in the dust. If Capitalism worked as it was once theorized, I myself would be a Capitalist, I like being able to hold private property and freely buy and sell my unused junk, but I don't like the greed and corruption that go along with it. Conservatives fail to see this--which is why they are predominantly capitalists, whereas 200 years ago, they were Monarchists.

 

[Furious George]

So i am not sure how this doesn't make animal rights important (especially when huge numbers of animals live on factory farms without basically any freedom for movement etc). i think society can solve both animal rights and other issues and do not see the contridiction here.

peace

-todd

As I stated--I am totally for AR's, BUT, I think we have priorities. When I see a child that is starving, and a animal, and all I have is a piece of bread, I would feed the child. And currently, across the globe, there are over 10 million children that are starving. We also have a growing problem in our own country--anti-Intellectualism, and I feel that issues such as these need to be address first, and only then can we be successful in our journey to free animals from human slaughter.

 

[l99999us]

Ok that's fine. I think those are very important issues and am happy that you are indeed working on them. I just don't necessarily think it is wrong to work on animal issues either and those issues are very important. I think that perhaps your issue is more with people who are apathetic then with those who work with animal rights. I just thuink we can make progress for both people and animals at the same time and that fighting each other is pretty useless.

peace

-Todd

As I stated--I am totally for AR's, BUT, I think we have priorities. When I see a child that is starving, and a animal, and all I have is a piece of bread, I would feed the child. And currently, across the globe, there are over 10 million children that are starving. We also have a growing problem in our own country--anti-Intellectualism, and I feel that issues such as these need to be address first, and only then can we be successful in our journey to free animals from human slaughter.

 

[Furious George]

Yea, I'm not attacking AR advocates, I'm attacking the people who make AR's a priority, when we have a million other issues that are much more near and dear to our hearts, as a country.