The "Assault weapons" ban didn't work then and it won't work now

[dogtowner]

Really how honest was Saddam? They had lots of guns..The US have more guns then just about any industrial nation...Yet the right wing nut jobs cry how oppressed we are and how evil the goverment is. Why don't these pussys put up or shut up? If its so bad, go rise up...I will laugh as I watch it on tv and they get mowed down. Also how is it that just about every other industrial nation makes it without so many guns? I know , this is the part where you pull out the Hitler card...Only problem is, Hitler actually had more lax laws for guns then the goverment before him...So long as you happen no be Jewish. But then again you probably think the jews would have somehow been able to fight the German Army . You guys live in this outdated world where some rag tags can go beat a well trained army in there own nation. That hardly even worked back when we all had muskets and lined up in a stupid line...let alone now. One day the conservatives will wake up and find out. its not the 1700's anymore. I had a debate a while a back with one trying to use laws made to fight pirates as how we should handle al Quada. Its no wonder the Right in Hick Ville USA , aka the south, still have Republicans in Mississippi still with a majority against interracial marriage. I am shocked the Round Earth and that it goes around the sun is even supported. ( also why this nation sucks a science...don't even know what real science is let alone how to do it with your History museums with Humans and Dino's at the same time. When you hit the 21 century let us know.

so you are saying Iraqis only lacked sufficient numbers of guns ?56

 

[BigRob]

How many did escape while we had these out gunned cops in the school?

I don't know -- but isn't one worth it? That seems to be the argument I keep hearing from the Left....the idea that banning "assault weapons" won't stop all gun violence, but it will save lives, and is therefore worth it.

After all, it was you that echoed this sentiment in this very thread by saying, "I am happy to save lives yes". If this saved a life -- shouldn't you be in favor of it?

Maybe the NRA would like to Put some Ramo like guys in all the schools. About 10 or so. Because knowing my old High school...I could walk in with a nice assault riffle and large ammo clips and take out a few class rooms before a guard could even make it from one side of the school to the other.

The NRA has neither the intention, nor the capability, to do that.

With the firepower the NRA wants to put in the hands of these kids anyway, guards can be like speed bumps.

If you have any more strawman arguments you'd like to knock down by all means continue -- but you have to be 18 or older to buy a rifle or a shotgun, and 21 and older to get a handgun. The NRA is not trying to change that.

And again, its funny that the people so scared of the goverment want Millions of armed guards all over..And of course never say who is paying for this.

They pay for it...via their tax dollars.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

so you are saying Iraqis only lacked sufficient numbers of guns ?56

no they lacked helo's planes, tanks, chemical weapons, training.....They had guns.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I don't know -- but isn't one worth it? That seems to be the argument I keep hearing from the Left....the idea that banning "assault weapons" won't stop all gun violence, but it will save lives, and is therefore worth it.

After all, it was you that echoed this sentiment in this very thread by saying, "I am happy to save lives yes". If this saved a life -- shouldn't you be in favor of it?



The NRA has neither the intention, nor the capability, to do that.



If you have any more strawman arguments you'd like to knock down by all means continue -- but you have to be 18 or older to buy a rifle or a shotgun, and 21 and older to get a handgun. The NRA is not trying to change that.



They pay for it...via their tax dollars.

I don't think we need to live in a police state just to keep gun nuts happy. Oddly other nations with real gun control don't need to have Swat teams on stand by at anyplace with more then a few people. Its not change that Japan does not pop up on the news 6 times a year with a mass school shooting or large shooting. Its because they don't have a nation of idiot gun nuts.And yes, putting guards everyplace is the the idea the NRA put out after the last shootings. And Tax dollars are going to pay for? Funny because its republicans saying this stupid shit, and now they want to have the goverment tax people to have armed people everywhere you go...and this makes us free? Realy? I guess I missed the memo where Republicans want to pay for more spending and have a police state. Wait you mean just schools...I see...so its just up to every business to have charge more, and hire more...Because the NRA likes to play army and has no brains. the NRA stands against background checks, people with mental issues being restricted, and thinks there is a legit need for 100 round clips....that outweighs the pile of dead body's being pulled out of buildings.And why did the kids at Colombine have a tech9 with 30 round clip? because they just had someone go buy one for them at a gun show...because there is no checks there on who is buying...you can grab a homeless guy to do it for you if you want. And if that person happens to sell it to a kid 5 min later...O well...not like the NRA Cares.

12000 gun murders a year...and its not do to the fact we don't have enough guns...its because we are stupid with them.

 

[BigRob]

I don't think we need to live in a police state just to keep gun nuts happy.

And I don't believe I should have my rights limited based on the actions of a few lunatics.

Oddly other nations with real gun control don't need to have Swat teams on stand by at anyplace with more then a few people. Its not change that Japan does not pop up on the news 6 times a year with a mass school shooting or large shooting. Its because they don't have a nation of idiot gun nuts.

Good for Japan.

And yes, putting guards everyplace is the the idea the NRA put out after the last shootings.

It is not up to the NRA whether that takes place or not -- nor do they want a "Rambo" style guard in every school.

And Tax dollars are going to pay for?

Unless you cut something else.

Funny because its republicans saying this stupid shit, and now they want to have the goverment tax people to have armed people everywhere you go...and this makes us free? Realy? I guess I missed the memo where Republicans want to pay for more spending and have a police state. Wait you mean just schools...I see...so its just up to every business to have charge more, and hire more...Because the NRA likes to play army and has no brains.

If you are done with your rant, we can go back to discussing an actual issue. The NRA is not calling for a police state.

the NRA stands against background checks

This is false -- they stand against "universal" background checks. The NRA however, helped establish the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

people with mental issues being restricted,

Another lie.
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2013/mentalhealthandfirearms.aspx

and thinks there is a legit need for 100 round clips....that outweighs the pile of dead body's being pulled out of buildings.

My rights do outweigh such a thing.

And why did the kids at Colombine have a tech9 with 30 round clip? because they just had someone go buy one for them at a gun show...because there is no checks there on who is buying...you can grab a homeless guy to do it for you if you want. And if that person happens to sell it to a kid 5 min later...O well...not like the NRA Cares.

So now you are saying they got these guns by not following the law?

12000 gun murders a year...and its not do to the fact we don't have enough guns...its because we are stupid with them.

"We" are not stupid with them....some people are stupid with them, and that is not my fault, or my problem.

 

[dogtowner]

"We" are not stupid with them....some people are stupid with them, and that is not my fault, or my problem.

criminals, not some people. gangs killing each other ans occasionally others in the wrong place at the wrong time. we could save a ton of money and strangle organized crime by just giving junkies drugs free.

 

[Iolo2]

Ban all the guns and lock up the cowboys. Why should nutters be allowed to murder children?

 

[BigRob]

Ban all the guns and lock up the cowboys. Why should nutters be allowed to murder children?

Why should you be able to use "nutters" to take away my Constitutionally protected rights?

 

[Johnny Tremain]

Ban all the guns and lock up the cowboys. Why should nutters be allowed to murder children?

Why should nutters be allowed to murder children?[/quote]

Physicians of the left-wing persuasion decapitate full-term infants all the time.

 

[dogtowner]

Ban all the guns and lock up the cowboys. Why should nutters be allowed to murder children?

Nutters are already not alliwed to murder anyone. Didnt stop them. It never has and never will necause theyre nutters.

try locking the nutters away. much better odds of success.

 

[Texas_tea]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
- Benjamin Franklin


The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
-Thomas Jefferson

The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good.
- George Washington


The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.
- Samuel Adams

 

[Gipper]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
- Benjamin Franklin


The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
-Thomas Jefferson

The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good.
- George Washington


The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.
- Samuel Adams

Libs and progs will never recognize the amazing wisdom of the Founders. They are too small minded and their silly emotions (you know their emotions control them like a little school girl) and besides many of the Founders owned slaves so they must be ignored.

Can't fix stupid.

 

[Texas_tea]

Libs and progs will never recognize the amazing wisdom of the Founders. They are too small minded and their silly emotions (you know their emotions control them like a little school girl) and besides many of the Founders owned slaves so they must be ignored.

Can't fix stupid.

No .... You cannot fix stupid!
However, it is an accurate reflection of just how much the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights are despised by these shallow-minded wackos.
There is also a reason these provision were put into place and there is a reason these sheeples are being indoctrinated to despise these fundamental rights!

 

[Gipper]

No .... You cannot fix stupid!
However, it is an accurate reflection of just how much the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights are despised by these shallow-minded wackos.
There is also a reason these provision were put into place and there is a reason these sheeples are being indoctrinated to despise these fundamental rights!

Yes so true. The Founders knew very well the effects of a tyrannical government. So our Founding Documents are structured to grant maximum liberty to the individual and strict limitations to government power...how leftists can find this unacceptable, only proves how brainwashed and ignorant they are. One has to terribly ignorant to believe unlimited government based on socialism, is a better system.

Many leftists are CRAZY...and debating a crazy person is always ineffective.

 

[Texas_tea]

Wayne LaPierre Batters David Gregory: ‘Why Doesn’t NBC News’ Report That Chicago Ranks ‘Dead Last’ in Federal Gun Law Enforcement?


Gun Control is not about ending "gun violence", that is why it will never work.

In reality, gun control is about the disarming citizens by a tyrannical government.