The Acorn thread

Re: "ACORN", Another Obama Radical affilliation!!

This is a long quote from Josh Marshall, talkingpointsmemo.com. He explains how this whole ACORN "controversy" is a right wing canard trotted out every election to excuse their losses and/or to provide ammunition for Republican voter suppression efforts.

The right-wing freak out about ACORN happens pretty much on schedule every two years. The whole scam is premised on having enough people who don't remember when they tried it before who they can then confuse and lie to.

Logically speaking there's very little way a few phony names on the voting rolls could be used to commit actual vote fraud. And much more importantly, numerous studies and investigations have shown no evidence of anything more than a handful of isolated cases of actual instances of vote fraud.

ACORN registers lots of lower income and/or minority voters. They operate all across the country and do a lot of things beside voter registration. What's key to understand is their method. By and large they do not rely on volunteers to register voters. They hire people -- often people with low incomes or even the unemployed. This has the dual effect of not only registering people but also providing some work and income for people who are out of work. But because a lot of these people are doing it for the money, inevitably, a few of them cut corners or even cheat. So someone will end up filling out cards for nonexistent names and some of those slip through ACORN's own efforts to catch errors. (It's important to note that in many of the recent ACORN cases that have gotten the most attention it's ACORN itself that has turned the people in who did the fake registrations.) These reports start buzzing through the right-wing media every two years and every time the anecdotal reports of 'thousands' of fraudulent registrations turns out, on closer inspection, to be either totally bogus themselves or wildly exaggerated. So thousands of phony registrations ends up being, like, twelve.

I've always had questions about whether this is a good way to do voter registration. And Democratic campaigns usually keep their distance. But here's the key. This is fraud against ACORN. They end up paying people for registering more people then they actually signed up. If you register me three times to vote, the registrar will see two new registrations of an already registered person and the ones won't count. If I successfully register Mickey Mouse to vote, on election day, Mickey Mouse will still be a cartoon character who cannot go to the local voting station and vote. Logically speaking there's very little way a few phony names on the voting rolls could be used to commit actual vote fraud. And much more importantly, numerous studies and investigations have shown no evidence of anything more than a handful of isolated cases of actual instances of vote fraud.

Vote registration fraud is a limited and relatively minor problem in the US today. But it is principally an administrative and efficiency issue. It is has little or nothing to do with people casting illegitimate votes to affect an actual election. That's the key. What you're hearing right now from Fox News, the New York Post, John Fund and the rest of the right-wing bamboozlement chorus is a just another effort to exploit, confuse and lie in an effort to put more severe restrictions on legitimate voting and lay the groundwork to steal elections.
It's that simple. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223436.php
 
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Re: "ACORN", Another Obama Radical affilliation!!

I know that they diddn't get any money from the bail out. That's not my issue with them.

Perhaps they didn't need the pork from the bailout bill, Obama donated 824k to Acorn already. Wonder how many $ that breaks down to per vote. Funny how the lefties whined about the republicans taking legal action in Florida to verify the vote but see no problem with this widespread votor fraud.
 
McCain's ties to ACORN

Well, well, well..lookee here...

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John McCain, in March of 2006, sitting beside Florida Rep. Kendrick Meek at an event Acorn co-sponsored in Florida.

The immigration event, which other photos show was packed with red-shirted Acorn member, was co-sponsored by the local Catholic Archdiocese, the SEIU, and other groups.

McCain, still spiting much of his party on immigration at the time, was the headliner.

Bertha Lewis, Acorn's chief organizer, said in a statement that came with the photo, “It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans."

”We are sure that the extremists he is trying to get into a froth will be even more excited to learn that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform," she said.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Acorn_pushes_back_hugs_McCain.html?showall
 
Re: McCain's ties to ACORN

Thats funny stuff Popeye!

I love how you Socialists use propaganda to spread your hate filled bile.

Keep that Hammer polished and that Sickle sharp Comrade!
 
does anyone care to point out that signing a card for Bugs Bunny, does not in fact mean that Bugs Bunny can vote? YOu do know that right ? Also if I sign up illegaly, the person that handed me the form is not responsible for what I write, or how if go sign up 30 times at other places, they just bring them in, and if they are suspcicus the can note it. According to Accorn , I have not heard anyone say its not true, but who knows, but they in fact are the ones who flagged alot of the ones thrown out.

Thing is people get paid per person signed up, so you get people who try to fill a qutoa to make money . And if you sign up the Cowboys O line? they may get think they got credit, but fact is the O line in not showing up to vote.

Voter Reg fraud...vs Voting Fraud is very diffenent in outcome.
 
Re: McCain's ties to ACORN

The problem is that Acorn is only registering voters illegally for Obama.
McCain ain't getting the same deal.http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/news/politics/1_voter__72_registrations_132965.htm


Registering is registering. And Obama isn't paying ACORN one dime to register anybody in this race against McCain. He did donate some money for registration in the primaries against other Democrats but not one dime for the general election.

If you mean ACORN targets mostly lower income people, well that would be true. But they have as much right to vote as anyone else and they are often overlooked and should participate.

I suppose you could make the case that John McCain's policies are more favorable to upper income people than low income people and as such the low income people may be less inclined to vote for him in favor of Senator Obama... but still they're voting for their own best interest and that's what voting is all about.

The bottom line is everybody can say anything but when they walk into that voting booth they can vote for anybody they want regardless of how or who registered them.
 
does anyone care to point out that signing a card for Bugs Bunny, does not in fact mean that Bugs Bunny can vote? YOu do know that right ? Also if I sign up illegaly, the person that handed me the form is not responsible for what I write, or how if go sign up 30 times at other places, they just bring them in, and if they are suspcicus the can note it. According to Accorn , I have not heard anyone say its not true, but who knows, but they in fact are the ones who flagged alot of the ones thrown out.

Thing is people get paid per person signed up, so you get people who try to fill a qutoa to make money . And if you sign up the Cowboys O line? they may get think they got credit, but fact is the O line in not showing up to vote.

Voter Reg fraud...vs Voting Fraud is very diffenent in outcome.

You don't get it at all einstein. A person shows up later at the polls and votes as the fake person. :rolleyes:
 
You don't get it at all einstein. A person shows up later at the polls and votes as the fake person. :rolleyes:

You mean try to vote as Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny? You don't think that might raise a red flag or two? In fact, come to think of it, if ACORN's plan was voter fraud don't you think they'd do a better job with the dummy names?

This is all about the GOP attempting to suppress the voter turnout of minorities and the poor. Plus, when McCain loses they'll have what they think is a ready made excuse to challenge the validity of Obama's election.
 
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