Survival-Of-The-Richest; An American-Tradition

[Mr. Shaman]

Bush just let his bamking buddies take all your savings to the casino instead of using their own money.

Then he spent all your taxes killing foreigners and bailing out his banking chums.

Apart from that he has managed the economy well.

Yeah.....so well, that...."conservatives" have convinced everyone (else) that tax-cuts will allow everyone to divert "their own money" to hiring the thugs (at Blackwater) to "protect & serve".

"Meanwhile, Polk County Sheriff Grady C. Judd, who runs an 1,800-member force in the Florida county, said he is taking a long view.

"I've done this 36 years, so I've seen the good times and the bad times in the delivery of police services," he said. "You can just predict: if you reduce the number of police officers, it will increase the level of crime in the community."

 

[Dr.Who]

Yeah.....so well, that...."conservatives" have convinced everyone (else) that tax-cuts will allow everyone to divert "their own money" to hiring the thugs (at Blackwater) to "protect & serve".

That's ridiculous.

Tax cuts will pretty much ensure that almost none of that money gets to Blackwater. Sure if someone wants to send them a private donation they could, but really I don't think anyone will be doing that.

Tax cuts will however, realistically increase the amount of funds going to charities that serve the needy, like the Red Cross for example. I'm sure some of the money would even go to groups like Planned Racial Unparenthood.

If you had any concern for people's choices you would champion tax cuts as they allow people to make choices.

Your real objection to tax cuts is that they undue the unbelievably stupid plan of taking virtually all the taxes from the 5 percenters and having the other 95% of the population become dependent on government for it's basic needs. This is the kind of dependency that promotes socialism. It's a very feel-good scenario for those who are stuck in a class war.

Nevermind that good socialist countries have a higher disparity between rich and poor than the US does and bad socialist countries, like North Korea, just make everyone equally poor. Or that at best socialistic leaning countries, like France, have the same disparity between rich and poor as the U.S. We don't need to worry about those kinds of facts because equalizing the wealth distribution is not the intent of the architects of socialism.

The real intent of the architects of socialism is to grab all the money and power for themselves just like that is the real intent of many other people who manipulate the masses. All countries in the world have an elite group that makes the rules. No government in the world has eliminated this. The only difference is that in the US everyone is supposed to have an equal chance to live the good life as long as they use the skills their creator gave them.

 

[Andy]

Yeah.....so well, that...."conservatives" have convinced everyone (else) that tax-cuts will allow everyone to divert "their own money" to hiring the thugs (at Blackwater) to "protect & serve".

Blackwater is a professional security service... what exactly is your problem with them? That they get paid to put their life on the line?

You liberals hate volunteer military.... now you hate the people paid to put their life at risk... who exactly do you not hate?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Blackwater is a professional security service... what exactly is your problem with them? That they get paid to put their life on the line?

Yeah.....they're regular founding-fathers. ​

You liberals hate volunteer military.... now you hate the people paid to put their life at risk...

Hey, it's you and Dr.Who who couldn't give-a-damn about financing the cops, in this country.

Real nice.

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[Dr.Who]

Hey, it's you and Dr.Who who couldn't give-a-damn about financing the cops, in this country.

Real nice.

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Um, no that is exactly wrong.

Police officers are an arm of the city or county governments. They operate within the bounds of their state constitutions.

They are presently funded through tax dollars, though in many areas there are private cops and that proves that it is not necessary for police to be funded publicly.

Whenever something is funded through tax dollars we need to take extra precautions that the item being funded justifies confiscating the private property of the populace.

The role of government is to stop people from hurting each other. The state constitutions allow for state funded police officers. The funding of a police force is both justified and legal.

Whereas buying bibles for American Indians redistributes wealth from the people who previously had the money and gives it to a unique group of people who do not have the item of value that the money has been converted into - in this case bibles which have a cash value even if you do not like them.

This does not directly stop anyone from hurting anyone (and certainly did not stop strife between Indians and settlers). It was not constitutionally allowed. It violated various parts of the constitution and was a typical liberal (federalist) idea that was more of a scheme than anything else.

Any time the fed confiscates money from the populace at large (especially if done unfairly) and gives it to just a few people under the guise of some scheme or program you can be sure that it is wrong.

We must always always ask ourselves: Does the harm that is being stopped justify the confiscation of personal property? Every time personal property is taken from someone that is a violation of that person's civil rights. If it is done to stop the violation of the whole populations civil rights (which is what police officers do) then it is justified.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Um, no that is exactly wrong.

Police officers are an arm of the city or county governments. They operate within the bounds of their state constitutions.

They are presently funded through tax dollars, though in many areas there are private cops and that proves that it is not necessary for police to be funded publicly.

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Yeah.....the last thing this Country's Systems-Of-Justice need, are any threats of oversight....kinda like Gitmo.​

 

[Dr.Who]

Yeah.....the last thing this Country's Systems-Of-Justice need, are any threats of oversight....kinda like Gitmo.​

Your article about the closed private prisons proves that inefficient private organizations go out of business. Your article about a government that oversaw conditions at a private prison showed that government has a legitimate role which is to stop people from doing bad things.

Meanwhile inefficient state run prisons just go on and on and on...

 

[chestnut]

Let's look more at title of this thread.

Mr. Shaman.

How many products and services do you think are available because of the rich?

How much money do you think the rich has donated to charities and how many lives do you think their "riches" have changed?

How come the when the dems refer to rich people, they forget the entertainment and sports and even politicians?

How many poor people have provided jobs to anyone?

How about when you go out to eat Mr Shaman?



Don't get me wrong, there are some that abuse power, and of course those people can be scorned,

But to dump all rich people and say everything they do is evil and the reasons the do it is evil is hogwash.

 

[Andy]

Yeah.....they're regular founding-fathers.



Hey, it's you and Dr.Who who couldn't give-a-damn about financing the cops, in this country.

Real nice.

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Um... my father was a police officer.

At any rate, I don't expect a profession security service to be like the founding fathers of the country. More importantly, all of the instances referred to are being investigated. Most report that multiple warnings were given, before any action was taken.

Now, if there is a problem, the investigation will turn that up and criminal charges will be filed.

That said, you do realize that Blackwater is just one of hundreds of security firms? Your own article says that. If Blackwater is shut down, a new firm will open up and hire on the exact same people. So you really are wasting your time bickering over this issue. Anyway, I'm done with it.

 

[Andy]

Your article about the closed private prisons proves that inefficient private organizations go out of business. Your article about a government that oversaw conditions at a private prison showed that government has a legitimate role which is to stop people from doing bad things.

Meanwhile inefficient state run prisons just go on and on and on...

Yeah isn't it funny how state prisons that are in shambles, and have much worse conditions and vastly more wasteful, are just fine. But a private prison that breaks the least of rules, must be closed.

Reminds me of Soviet Russia, where the government assumed control because of inefficient private practices, and then couldn't even feed their population, let alone anything else.